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76 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:35 pm

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Ummm, what about Sinclair himself? Could he not have said or done something himself to get attention? I'm not suggesting the WRHA id innocent but again, when does self-help ever get discussed?

77 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:38 pm

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hard to say.. really depends on how sick he was when he entered. was he still concious after a reasonable amount of wait time? say... 1-5 hours? Was he able to speak and move?
What was his "normal" wait time when he came to the ER as he did quite often apparently?


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78 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:38 pm

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Another good question GOM.....as an adjunct how many of us would have tolerated a stay that long in emergency without being looked after? After one hour, for my broken ankle, I was asking when I would be given something to help ease the pain.....what kind of condition was he in when he arrived? Sober? Conscious? Hmmmmm....the nurses do immediately gather data on arrivals......at least that is what I have observed.


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79 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:50 pm

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From what I understand he could not speak coherently at all, at any time. I`m sure that was part of the problem.

80 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:56 pm

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thats what I seem to recall as well.. So in effect that leaves him blameless


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81 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:26 pm

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I understood he was sober but very shy. I recall a stutter issue. He was conscious though.

Anyone can make their discomfort and impatience known even if mute. I don't know if he does not share at least some responsibility.


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82 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:30 am

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If he was sick enough to die, I cannot see him being at fault in any manner.

We have too many bureaucrats and not enough competent emergency room personel.

83 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:43 am

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Isn't the purpose of the enquiry to delve into all these questions and determine what happened? As pointed out, this is not a litigation.

Still not sure why the family who basically deserted the guy and provided him with no support and left him alone to fend for himself needs a lawyer at the enquiry, let alone why they should even be allowed in the room.

84 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:00 am

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they should be allowed in the room so that they can understand what kind of life their family member lived and so they can see the numerous times they could have helped.


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85 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:43 am

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grumpy old man wrote:If they are filing suit against the deep pockets they sure as hell don't need the taxpayer to pay for their lawyer.

This is the inquest into his death. I think the family should attend. The question's are do they need an attorney and should you and I pay for it?

No they do not need a lawyer, and No the tax payer does not need to pay for a lawyer to be there.
I'm willing to bet that it was a Lawyers idea to get the family to request a lawyer.


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86 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:18 am

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The issue is why did the people who sent him there not make sure he was looked after and why did the staff at the hospital forget or otherwise not see to him . My guess no one will lose their job or you will have a strike and , if you were a family member who did not fully understand the legal talk . Would you not want a lawyer there to protect your rights .
And so what if a lawyer is behind this, are you not sure that the whole thing could have been done with out them (lawyers) . What the hell it is just an inquest .

87 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:11 am

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Well Pav we know the purpose of the inquest. That's not at issue here.

What rights are the family entitled to? And why should the taxpayer fund the family's lawyer?


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88 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:28 am

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They see dollar signs and need a lawyer to attempt to get some.

89 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:17 am

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I wonder if this family will get an inquest and a lawyer paid for by the Province?

This gentlemen didn't die but pretty scary stuff.

90 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:28 am

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Scary stuff for sure, but what would have happened if he had the stroke while still in hospital, or 3 days later, or died during surgery. Medicine is not an exacting science. Why is it there always has to be someone to blame?

91 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:18 am

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I know medicine is not an exact science but apparently he didn't want to leave when they discharged him, it seemed like an early discharge to me. I mean come on they cut into his brain and they discharge him after 5 days? I was in the hospital longer when I had my twins via c-section.


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92 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:43 pm

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Generally speaking, the worst place to be when you're sick is in a hospital.

I'm not sure there is anyway to predict when a stroke will happen, so I don't see a relation between the cause of his death and his discharge.

If he was complaining of chest pains and he was discharged, it would be different, but a stoke is a stroke.

93 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:37 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:Well Pav we know the purpose of the inquest. That's not at issue here.

What rights are the family entitled to? And why should the taxpayer fund the family's lawyer?

If we pay to defend our crooked politicians why not this family . And they are a lower income family , after all we pay for politicians do we not . And they are mostly lawyers . And Iam sure there bill is alot less, then some others we have paid .

94 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:41 pm

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But we are not paying to defend them even if we give them the money. This is not about them at all.


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95 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:42 pm

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This has nothing to do with crooked politicians. Not sure why this is posited as the reason we owe this family anything.




So, again, what rights are the family entitled to? And why should the taxpayer fund the family's lawyer?


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96 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:52 pm

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Pavolo wrote:The issue is why did the people who sent him there not make sure he was looked after and why did the staff at the hospital forget or otherwise not see to him . My guess no one will lose their job or you will have a strike and , if you were a family member who did not fully understand the legal talk . Would you not want a lawyer there to protect your rights .
And so what if a lawyer is behind this, are you not sure that the whole thing could have been done with out them (lawyers) . What the hell it is just an inquest .

Thanks for the thumbs down.

Let me say this to you.
The man who's rights needed protection is DEAD. So why the heck would he need a lawyer? The family was not there for him in LIFE, so why should they benefit from his DEATH?

It is an inquest. The WRHA will be there, the government will be there, the family of the deceased can go and the media will have reporters there too. Should we pay for Lawyers for the Media? Their rights might need protecting. Maybe I want to go, should the public be on the hook to pay for a lawyer to explain what is going on to me?

They have taken this tragedy and turned it into a frigging circus. NO to Taxpayer funded lawyers!


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97 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:18 am

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Good Post!

98 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:30 pm

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JTF wrote:Good Post!


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99 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:52 am

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Why it is politicians were brought up , The tab for Brian Mullroney was last time I heard 3or 4 millon and no one on here said boo but 1 or2 hundred thousand for this family o well to fricking bad he is dead anyways . What the hell difference that makes .

I would rather people who cannot afford it get it then crooked politicians like Chretian est tab 3to5 Mill for his sorry ass . May be some of you really need to look past the end of your noses as to where your money is going .

100 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:26 am

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Pav, off your meds again??

What the hell does Brian Mulroney and Jean Chretien have to do with publicly funding Brian SInclair's family for a high priced lawyer at an inquest into his death, especially when the same family didn't give a sh1t about him when he was alive? What crap!!

I'll look past the end of my nose if you'll get your head out of your ass.

101 Re: Brian Sinclair issue on Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:37 am

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Pav believes that if you piss away some of your money, it only makes sense to piss all of it away. tsk tsk tsk

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