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Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province.

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rosencrentz wrote:I still do npt understand the headline? Is someone saying that Manitoba would be a have province, if it tried to develop its mineral wealth??
That makes absolutely no sense to me! Companies develop what they think will be profitable!
We had a Conservative government for 10 years and I am sure that Manitoba was open for business!
Saskatchewan is in the money only because Potash demand and pricing has skyrocketed as well as the oil sands development!

Manitoba will be in the money if we can develop a market for mosquitoes, perhaps a renewal in the pet rock craze of a few years ago, and possibly exporting some welfare recipients!

They are dying for optimistic people like you out in Calgary, Rosey! You should consider a move out there soon!

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FlyingRat wrote:If blue-green algae ever becomes a sought-after export, then we're in the money!

Turning Algae into America's New Energy

Seriously.. read up on the subject.

And to you rosen. come on.. I started this thread to show people why we can't be a have province. Manitoba lacks people with VISION. Vision to move ahead, and take us into the future. Vision to see what Manitoba could do if we only put some hard thought and some elbow grease into getting ahead. Or we can all sit back and accept less, which seems to be what most Manitobans want.

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interesting article on the other forum today about using sunlight to split water into hydrogen and oxygen... supposedly rather effecient.

If it does take hold as a real alternative, Manitoba and Alberta will both be hosed on the energy market. No way we have enough sunlight to compete with a project like that.

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Isn't Manitoba one of the sunniest places? that's what we always hear about....

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Sell all the selenite minerals to the USA and the rest of the world. There's a good market out there for mineral crystals.

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LivingDead wrote:
FlyingRat wrote:If blue-green algae ever becomes a sought-after export, then we're in the money!

Turning Algae into America's New Energy

Seriously.. read up on the subject.

And to you rosen. come on.. I started this thread to show people why we can't be a have province. Manitoba lacks people with VISION. Vision to move ahead, and take us into the future. Vision to see what Manitoba could do if we only put some hard thought and some elbow grease into getting ahead. Or we can all sit back and accept less, which seems to be what most Manitobans want.
But it is much cheaper and thats what flys here .

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Look at the change in the income in one year!
Alberta has gone from an $11 billion dollar surplus to a $5 billion dollar deficit, and the same in Saskatchebush with the Potash market dropping!


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33 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:28 pm

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Manitoba will remain a welfare province until we assimilate our Aboriginals.

34 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:30 pm

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..........and obtain competent civic and provincial leadership with ambition and drive.

35 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:20 pm

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Or until we discover oil like all those other really really really smart provinces...


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36 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:49 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:Or until we discover oil like all those other really really really smart provinces...

Or I am elected Premier (or Mayor, at the very lest?). How bad could I possibly do? Even alex Reid, who came in dead last, managed to scrap up 1200 votes.

37 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:14 am

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rosencrentz wrote:Look at the change in the income in one year!
Alberta has gone from an $11 billion dollar surplus to a $5 billion dollar deficit, and the same in Saskatchebush with the Potash market dropping!

That's just because so called "conservative" governments are balls when it comes to money and projecting revenue. Look at Harper, they've only spent 7% of the stimulus and they're already how many friggin billion in deficit.

The NDP may depend on transfer payments, but they're pretty good at getting the numbers right it seems, however grim they may be.

38 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:14 am

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LennyJessop wrote:Manitoba will remain a welfare province until we assimilate our Aboriginals.

Agreed.

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EdWin wrote:Evil Doer; suits him to a tea!

Donothing is living up to his name, he's doing nothing to help boost Manitoba's economic position out of a have-not province.

He has no brains and no balls to get the job done, the loser.

Can we please get someone in office who is the complete opposite of Evil Doer and actually cares about Manitoba's future?

If you are going to go after Doer at least articulate yourself in a sensible fashion...

Why is it that some conservatives make as much sense as a three dollar bill?


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It really does not matter what party is in power in this stupid country....as long as we have a parliamentary system in place there will never be proper representation.


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All of you folks can say evil this and evil that....does not change a goddamned thing.


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usedtoliveinstb wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:Manitoba will remain a welfare province until we assimilate our Aboriginals.

Agreed.

"Our" aboriginals??? Since when did ownership occur? Perhaps on a philosophical note here that is part of the problem? People are people...stop the disparity....stop the polarization....end the entitlement!!!


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Remember this is the Liberals deficit program. The Conservatives presented a balanced budget, but the loyal opposition were going to force an election if they didn't change the budget.
The depression is over any ways , as the GDP was up .4 of 1% in the last quarter, ending 3 quarters of decline of GDP!


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Here is why Manitoba will forever remain a Welfare province.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


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45 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:21 am

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The NDP keep attracting poor people to the Province, so they will get their votes. Nothing wrong with that!


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46 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:39 am

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Miz point wrote:
EdWin wrote:Evil Doer; suits him to a tea!

Donothing is living up to his name, he's doing nothing to help boost Manitoba's economic position out of a have-not province.

He has no brains and no balls to get the job done, the loser.

Can we please get someone in office who is the complete opposite of Evil Doer and actually cares about Manitoba's future?

If you are going to go after Doer at least articulate yourself in a sensible fashion...

Why is it that some conservatives make as much sense as a three dollar bill?

1. Congratulations on bringing up one of my posts from over a year ago.

2. If you choose to criticize anyone on being articulate, you need to start with your own son who's spelling, punctuation and grammar are mind boggling at the best of times.

47 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:20 am

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usedtoliveinstb wrote:
rosencrentz wrote:Look at the change in the income in one year!
Alberta has gone from an $11 billion dollar surplus to a $5 billion dollar deficit, and the same in Saskatchebush with the Potash market dropping!

That's just because so called "conservative" governments are balls when it comes to money and projecting revenue. Look at Harper, they've only spent 7% of the stimulus and they're already how many friggin billion in deficit.

The NDP may depend on transfer payments, but they're pretty good at getting the numbers right it seems, however grim they may be.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but according to the CBC this morning and the latest fiscal update, 80% of the stimulus funds have been spent or committed. I don't think that you are suggesting that if it is committed, but not spent it's the Fed. Gov't fault?

The only areas that are underspent are in comunity club upgrades, and one other area ( can't remember which). The Feds have asked the provinces to submit more proposals in the next month so that this money can be spent. However, the eco-retrofit program for homeowners had been over spent.

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48 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:31 am

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This is a no-win proposition for any government. If they don't provide the funding they're damned and if they do they're damned. And if they spend it too fast they're reckless and not fast enough they're careless.

And now this... They are running up a deficit. Tell me usedtoliveinstb, how would you have handled things in these circumstances?


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49 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:36 am

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People can sqwak on and on about how the conservatives ran up a deficit and they can't balance the books.

That's a stupid statement to make, because we all know that the last budget was influenced by opposition parties and the fact that it's a minority government.

If this was a majority and they ran up this deficit without the influence of any other party, then fine.

I'm always amused at how the other parties talk about how the Government isn't working with them when they don't get what they want. But when the Gov't runs up a deficit because they have taken into account a lot of what the opposition wants, their dead quiet and even go so far as to criticize the gov't for doing that.

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50 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:39 am

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rosencrentz wrote:Remember this is the Liberals deficit program. The Conservatives presented a balanced budget, but the loyal opposition were going to force an election if they didn't change the budget.
The depression is over any ways , as the GDP was up .4 of 1% in the last quarter, ending 3 quarters of decline of GDP!

The Conservatives were already in deficit before putting forward any stimulus whatsoever. GST cut + recession did them in. I'm not saying I don't enjoy spending less taxes when I buy expensive things, but it was still bad fiscal planning from an administrative point of view.

51 Re: Why Manitoba will remain a welfare province. on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:42 am

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St Norberter wrote:People can sqwak on and on about how the conservatives ran up a deficit and they can't balance the books.

That's a stupid statement to make, because we all know that the last budget was influenced by opposition parties and the fact that it's a minority government.

If this was a majority and they ran up this deficit without the influence of any other party, then fine.

I'm always amused at how the other parties talk about how the Government isn't working with them when they don't get what they want. But when the Gov't runs up a deficit because they have taken into account a lot of what the opposition wants, their dead quiet and even go so far as to criticize the gov't for doing that.

If the Conservatives take credit for anything they've done, then they have to accept the full consequences for running a deficit. Otherwise you'd logically have to argue that it was the opposition who cut the GST and brought in other new legislation. Can't have it both ways hypocrites.

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