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1 Let's talk leaders on Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:44 pm

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Let this be a fun and stimulating exercise. People are talking about Manitoba needing a new party and/or leader - as being the only way to real and necessary change (on politics and the process in general). The given is that there's a frustration and growing disconnect with what "government" has evolved to.
So - who would be your ideal leader? The leader represents the new movement so it would be interesting as to who people see cast in that role. I think it would be telling of peoples' sentiment.
It doesn't have to be a local politician, activist or business person (or anybody local). The exercise is symbolic. So who would it be? Your answer could be Batman - which suggests crime and punishment is central in your sentiment.
Here are mine:
Shelly Glover. Inky Mark. Al Golden. Trevor Kennard.

2 Re: Let's talk leaders on Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:11 pm

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I'll have to think about specific people before answering.

However, to make things a tad more interesting, why not give a brief explanation of why you would want a certain individual as a political leader?


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3 Re: Let's talk leaders on Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:31 pm

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I've spoken with a potential leader of such a party... He will need more convincing. But that individual brings character, integrity and passion to the position. I think he'd be a marvelous leader. I cannot publish his name.

Al Golden is a very curious choice. With his reputation in this city I'd have imagined him as the last person we'd want to lead a new party.

Shelly Glover seems to have some of the characteristics I like to see. I hope her current experience does not poison her forever.

I like Lloyd Axworthy. He has demonstrated a passion for Winnipeg that I find crucial in a leader of this new party.

What's odd is I can think of many more people that I would NOT want to see involved. Speaks very poorly of the current crop of politicos out there right now I think.


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4 Re: Let's talk leaders on Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm

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Grumpy, I knew that would be said about Golden. Fact is, he's a successful businessman with a few past taxation issues - I can look past that. He has the gonads to swim against the current and he's thrifty by nature. He's one of very few that could make enough waves to bring siginificant change in the city and province. The point has come where political correctness will be left in the trunk. The status quo must go - there's the slogan.



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5 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:48 am

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Jondo wrote:Let this be a fun and stimulating exercise. People are talking about Manitoba needing a new party and/or leader - as being the only way to real and necessary change (on politics and the process in general). The given is that there's a frustration and growing disconnect with what "government" has evolved to.
So - who would be your ideal leader? The leader represents the new movement so it would be interesting as to who people see cast in that role. I think it would be telling of peoples' sentiment.
It doesn't have to be a local politician, activist or business person (or anybody local). The exercise is symbolic. So who would it be? Your answer could be Batman - which suggests crime and punishment is central in your sentiment.
Here are mine:
Shelly Glover. Inky Mark. Al Golden. Trevor Kennard.

Those are some brutal choices. I do like Shelly Glover , however. I'd join any party she lead in a heartbeat.

6 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:06 am

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manitobapost wrote:Those are some brutal choices. I do like Shelly Glover , however. I'd join any party she lead in a heartbeat.
Fair enough.

Tell us why in your view Inky Mark, Al Golden and Trevor Kennard are brutal choices.


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7 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:42 am

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manitobapost wrote:I do like Shelly Glover , however. I'd join any party she lead in a heartbeat.
Care to shed some light on this?


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8 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:49 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Shelly Glover seems to have some of the characteristics I like to see. I hope her current experience does not poison her forever.
Great. What do you perceive are those characteristics?

grumpy old man wrote:I like Lloyd Axworthy. He has demonstrated a passion for Winnipeg that I find crucial in a leader of this new party..
Pink Lloyd is turning 70 this year and may wish to retire some day. I don't know if he has it in him to front a new party, given his age and Liberal heritage. Dr. Gerrard would not be pleased.

grumpy old man wrote:What's odd is I can think of many more people that I would NOT want to see involved. Speaks very poorly of the current crop of politicos out there right now I think.


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9 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:34 am

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grumpy old man wrote:
manitobapost wrote:Those are some brutal choices. I do like Shelly Glover , however. I'd join any party she lead in a heartbeat.
Fair enough.

Tell us why in your view Inky Mark, Al Golden and Trevor Kennard are brutal choices.

Leaders need to have some charisma , and none of these guys have it. You must have charisma to win. I am sure Mark , Golden and Kennard are competent , they just couldn't lead a team of people to win power in this province.

10 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:45 am

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manitobapost wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
manitobapost wrote:Those are some brutal choices. I do like Shelly Glover , however. I'd join any party she lead in a heartbeat.
Fair enough.

Tell us why in your view Inky Mark, Al Golden and Trevor Kennard are brutal choices.

Leaders need to have some charisma , and none of these guys have it. You must have charisma to win. I am sure Mark , Golden and Kennard are competent , they just couldn't lead a team of people to win power in this province.

How would you rate Hugh McFayden in terms of charisma and leadership? I'd say he's pretty much invisible.


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11 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:13 am

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Actually Hugh McFayden is very charismatic but for some strange reason he stays underground when he should be shouting from the rooftops - that's how Doer did it - he critisized/opposed Filmon to death. This government is far more vulnerable yet they pretty much continue to operate unchallenged - or at best - challenged respectfully - which they don't deserve.
Charisma is one important quality however I believe their history is equally important. If those choices don't ring with you then there's nothing to debate - the point was to name your own.



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12 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:50 am

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Yep, the point is to name your own picks. Things get more interesting, though, if there's a brief explanation behind the choices. I'm suggesting this not to start a debate but just to see why people are picking their choices.


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13 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:55 am

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You know, I'm having trouble thinking of people who I think have the qualities to lead this City right now. Thats scary.

14 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:44 pm

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Jondo wrote:Actually Hugh McFayden is very charismatic but for some strange reason he stays underground when he should be shouting from the rooftops - that's how Doer did it - he critisized/opposed Filmon to death. This government is far more vulnerable yet they pretty much continue to operate unchallenged - or at best - challenged respectfully - which they don't deserve.
Charisma is one important quality however I believe their history is equally important. If those choices don't ring with you then there's nothing to debate - the point was to name your own.

Agreed. Hugh needs to come out of his shell.

15 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:45 pm

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Freeman wrote:You know, I'm having trouble thinking of people who I think have the qualities to lead this City right now. Thats scary.

I have heard Ron Schuler's name being thrown about for replacing Katz . He would be alot like Glen Murray in my opinion.

16 Re: Let's talk leaders on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:38 pm

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manitobapost wrote:
Freeman wrote:You know, I'm having trouble thinking of people who I think have the qualities to lead this City right now. Thats scary.

I have heard Ron Schuler's name being thrown about for replacing Katz . He would be alot like Glen Murray in my opinion.

Ron Schuler like Glen Murray, thats a riot!

17 Re: Let's talk leaders on Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:46 am

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How do you or would you expect this new leader to change the process, So as to make it better. Just curious any of you, what you will expect .
For without a major overhaul of the system it will not change , it can,t, it is to open to the abuse of the present .

18 Re: Let's talk leaders on Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:09 am

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I know he is semi retired now and an older man but we need someone like Johnny Buhler, a man not afraid to stand up and be counted. I remember when he purchased the Versatile plant and tackled the union head on, he didn't succeed but he gave it his all. That spoke volumes to me.........trouble is I can't think of any up and comer that has his character.

19 Re: Let's talk leaders on Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:26 am

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How about Leo Ledohowski? (As if he'd want to waste his time....)

20 Re: Let's talk leaders on Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:43 am

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After what Kives did on the Met you think Ledohowski would be targeted?


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21 Re: Let's talk leaders on Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:13 pm

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There Is Only One Leader Left In Manitoba Who Has All The Qualifications!


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22 Re: Let's talk leaders on Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:38 pm

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^ I fear you might be right Smile

23 Re: Let's talk leaders on Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:50 pm

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