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Has Common Sense Finally Appeared on the Political Horizon?

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It certainly appears so...

A Tory government might become one that throws youth criminals into wilderness camps, strives to make Manitoba a "have" province and sends the controversial BiPole III hydro-electric transmission line down Lake Winnipeg's east side -- saving the public purse as much as $640 million with a shortened route.

Those moves became possible yesterday when delegates at the Progressive Conservative party's annual general meeting put them among 40 resolutions to be considered by the party's caucus, to possibly become part of its 2011 election platform.

"We'll be heavily influenced by what the party grassroots have advised us on," Leader Hugh McFadyen said of the resolutions adopted among nearly 90 possible choices.

WILDERNESS CAMP

The wilderness camp idea, he said, will be examined as a way to deal more harshly with juvenile offenders "with a view to getting kids out of the city and into a more structured environment with a hope that they can be rehabilitated" and turn themselves around.

With issues ranging from crime and the environment to job creation and health care, the adopted resolutions include making Manitoba a more prosperous "have" jurisdiction by doing more to encourage investment and business creation and, McFadyen added, "getting rid of some of the red tape and high taxes" that curb such growth.

"The way out of this is to grow our way out of the recession," he said, "instead of having the government spend our way out."

By ROSS ROMANIUK, SUN MEDIA


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common sense would be getting rid of the leader of that party so they have a hope of winning


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Hughie may not look as wimpy now that Gary is out of the scene. Premier Sellajerk looks just as wimpy imho, so it may get down to a slap-fight next election. Wink

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I don't think it is a question of ousting McFayden as much as it's beefing up his presence in terms of getting him out there more to immediately respond to the press everytime Selinger makes a new announcement. McFayden's communications team is new and are in the process of building up his presence. He has been touring rural areas a great deal lately and as those areas are traditionally PC strongholds for the most part he can perhaps test his platforms better in a more sympatico environment?


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For the Conservatives to win , 90,000 voting poor people have to be sent to Saskatchewan and all the aboriginals as well!
Why would we expect the NDP to fail?
List anything that they have brought in as Law that offends you!


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Paying the unions millions of dollars to NOT strike during work on Duff's Ditch offends me greatly.

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Not sure if they necessarily need to get rid of Hugh but definitely need to start selling themselves as people with good alternative plans. The majority of people aren't mad enough at the government to vote the Conservatives in just because they aren't the NDP. If they could put together a really strong platform they could have a shot but it won't be easy.

For things like the BiPole III they need to be able to show that going down the East side won't just wind up taking years longer with it tied up in negotiations with First Nations communities on the land. Otherwise all the NDP would need to do to shoot the idea down is point to how much time and money it took to get the Wuskwatim dam agreement together and weigh that against the additional costs for the West side development. But if they Conservatives can show that their plan is actually better, and not just the plan that the NDP didn't go with, it could get them some support.

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JTF wrote:Paying the unions millions of dollars to NOT strike during work on Duff's Ditch offends me greatly.

That's exactly what FDR did to enable the yanks to win WWII. Sometimes, when a project needs to get done, you just need to pay a premium to get it done on time.

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Yes they may have negotiate with First nations but the long term savings and betterment to all.s lives are worth it going the east side. This is one of the dumbest decisions made by Gary .

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JTF wrote:Paying the unions millions of dollars to NOT strike during work on Duff's Ditch offends me greatly.
Giving them none of the blame in Crocus offended me more . Doer will make a good ambassador but he was wrong to kiss the unions ass as often as he did

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agreeing to spend an extra $600 million dollars to run some hydro poles an extra 27 million miles away from the source of the power, to cut the aboriginal claims down to nothing!


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Pavolo wrote:Yes they may have negotiate with First nations but the long term savings and betterment to all.s lives are worth it going the east side. This is one of the dumbest decisions made by Gary .

Could be. Depends on the terms of the agreement and the amount of time it would take to come up with it. Pushing the project back means lost revenue and I don't know how much would need to be paid per year to use the land or what other concessions would be needed. Maybe it is a really bad move to go the way they did, but it's not a short or cheap task to go into negotiations of this type.

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umcrouc0 wrote:
Pavolo wrote:Yes they may have negotiate with First nations but the long term savings and betterment to all.s lives are worth it going the east side. This is one of the dumbest decisions made by Gary .

Could be. Depends on the terms of the agreement and the amount of time it would take to come up with it. Pushing the project back means lost revenue and I don't know how much would need to be paid per year to use the land or what other concessions would be needed. Maybe it is a really bad move to go the way they did, but it's not a short or cheap task to go into negotiations of this type.

The risk of building on the East side on "native land" is probably greater than the small additional cost of building West. It's not as simple as inital cost, you also must calculate for what happens when some court determines that the "reserves own the power that goes through their lands". Billion dollar settlement time?

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usedtoliveinstb wrote:
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Pavolo wrote:Yes they may have negotiate with First nations but the long term savings and betterment to all.s lives are worth it going the east side. This is one of the dumbest decisions made by Gary .

Could be. Depends on the terms of the agreement and the amount of time it would take to come up with it. Pushing the project back means lost revenue and I don't know how much would need to be paid per year to use the land or what other concessions would be needed. Maybe it is a really bad move to go the way they did, but it's not a short or cheap task to go into negotiations of this type.

The risk of building on the East side on "native land" is probably greater than the small additional cost of building West. It's not as simple as inital cost, you also must calculate for what happens when some court determines that the "reserves own the power that goes through their lands". Billion dollar settlement time?

The risk of Accidental Nuclear War and its subsequent Nuclear Winter is a bigger risk facing Humans.


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The risk of Accidental Nuclear War and its subsequent Nuclear Winter is a bigger risk facing Humans.

While the consequences are certainly much greater, I think the probability is far less than the natives disrupting the power grid, and the consequences could be as devastating for many of us living in this climate.

In the opinion of many, the best way to go is right down the middle of the lake, but unfortunately, the decision will be political and not at all logical or correct.

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