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101 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:33 pm

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Deank wrote:living poor is a struggle enough. never mind living poor, winning a buttload of money and then being poor again. Got to be hard on the mind.

His friends and family took extreme advantage of him and then were not there for him when he needed it.

It reminds me of this song:

102 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:40 pm

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I'm not rich I just prioritize. My children are my priority, they are fed well, have decent clothing and toys. They are loved. Most "poor" people I have known smoke, drink and gamble. It's all about choices. IMO, poor people do not have cable TV, Xbox, PS3, microwaves, cell phones, etc... It's a shame that what most consider poor here would be considered rich in all 3rd world countries.


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103 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:50 pm

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104 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:52 pm

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Goth_chic wrote:I'm not rich I just prioritize. My children are my priority, they are fed well, have decent clothing and toys. They are loved. Most "poor" people I have known smoke, drink and gamble. It's all about choices. IMO, poor people do not have cable TV, Xbox, PS3, microwaves, cell phones, etc... It's a shame that what most consider poor here would be considered rich in all 3rd world countries.

Relative poverty (i.e. in Canada, US) is actually worse than Absolute poverty (South Africa, Haiti, etc). The reason being is if you are in Absolute Poverty, everyone in your social circle is just as improvished as you, so people are more likely just to be humble, and accept it as is.

In Relative Poverty, people who are considered poor go through high levels of stress, especially if they live in an area where their home is the smallest on the block, and many neighbours have homes twice the size. Now from an economic standpoint, poor people may be better than their counterparts in Africa. However it is the opposite when you consider psycological distress.

Just to elaborate, I believe it is worse to live in Relative poverty because IMHO, the purpose of lift is to be happy.

105 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:57 pm

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Living in the smallest house on the block wouldn't stress me out at all. Materialism or keeping up with the Jones' is not something that I would ever do. The reason so many "poor" people here feel stress is because of television....all of these soap operas and tv shows promote that feeling, I find that to be very sad.

I believe children in Africa who have lost their parents to AIDS and are eating bugs to survive are way worse off then children in Canada.


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106 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:03 pm

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Goth_chic wrote: Most "poor" people I have known smoke, drink and gamble. It's all about choices.

Most people that have addictions (gambling,substance abuse, internet, porn, etc.) have underlying mental health issues. It's hardly fair to say it's their fault for falling between the cracks, and becoming impoverished. It's estimated that 50% or more of people with addictions have mental health issues.\

I know this since I work as a volunteer coordinator for F.A.C.E.S on Fort Street. It's sad that many people have the attitude that these people are 'weak' and should just 'snap out of it.' It's not that simple. In fact, by 2020 Mental Health issues are going to be the #1 factor in Workplace problems, such as lost production, absenteeism, and low workplace morale.

We can either tell these people to 'snap out of it'. Or we can create a better understanding of these issues.



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107 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:07 pm

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I suffer from depression and am on meds for it. I don't gamble, I don't smoke, and I rarely drink anymore. So I guess one could say I have a mental health issue?

My father is an alcoholic and he has no mental health problems. Addiction is evil but not all addicts have mental health problems. My Mom was also an alcoholic who had cirrhosis.

We all make choices HA, I chose to get help and go on meds. I chose to be a good parent and to be there for my children.


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108 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:19 pm

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And most addicts I have known and still know do not have any mental health issues. I`ve had 3 friends who were addicted to crack and meth and none of them had issues they liked to party and the experimentation caught up. I know some addicts do suffer from mental health problems, lots of addicts have no mental health issues but become addicted anyways. I have depression which I didn`t get till after my kids were born. Stuff happens....I went to my Dr and received the help I needed, it was one of the most difficult things I ever did. I had to admit I was ill...there is still quite the stigma attached to depression. I am open about my depression in hopes that someone may read this and get the help they need. I will not suffer in silence. Thanks to celexa I no longer suffer.


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109 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:41 pm

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Goth_chic wrote:I suffer from depression and am on meds for it. I don't gamble, I don't smoke, and I rarely drink anymore. So I guess one could say I have a mental health issue?

My father is an alcoholic and he has no mental health problems. Addiction is evil but not all addicts have mental health problems. My Mom was also an alcoholic who had cirrhosis.

We all make choices HA, I chose to get help and go on meds. I chose to be a good parent and to be there for my children.

Depression is a mental health issue. I work as a volunteer coordinator for F.A.C.E.S on Fort Street. If you have depression than you have a mental illness. It's as simple as that. I'm not sure why you are being so defensive about it.

As for the issue of substance abuse, most people who have troubles with addictions usually do have underlying psycological problems. People can become addicted to drugs after "partying too much", but chances are they are using it as a form of self medication to numb the pain that they deal with.

Take Theo Fleury for example. He was sexually abused as a child for years by his coach. As a result, he most likely suffered for some type of post-traumatic stress. To cope, he became involved in substance abuse. In a macho sport like hockey, the party life is encouraged, and dealing with sexual abuse is almost unheard of.

Thankfully, Fleury is now sober, and happily married. He is also working to confront his demons. He has written a bestselling book. When he tried to make the Flames roster, he was given a standing ovation from the fans, who have forgiven him from his days when he was struggling with substance abuse.

If most Canadians can forgive Fleury, why can't you? I know you think he is a loser and a pig. However that was when he was struggling with his demons, and addiction problems. By all accounts, he has finally beaten his demons, and now leads a productive life.

110 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:42 pm

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HurtinAlbertan wrote:In Relative Poverty, people who are considered poor go through high levels of stress, especially if they live in an area where their home is the smallest on the block, and many neighbours have homes twice the size. Now from an economic standpoint, poor people may be better than their counterparts in Africa. However it is the opposite when you consider psycological distress.

That is opposite to pretty much all research on "poverty" or "stress". Research on poverty actually focuses on the neighborhood level and poor communities, because that is where interventions are most effective. The "poor" tend to live close together - what you describe is toy envy. Stress, on the other hand is mainly associated with high incomes and the sacrifices people have to make to get there - like work long hours, be away from family and social life, possibly engage in unethical activities. That's the kind of stress that makes people fall apart.

111 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:51 pm

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HurtinAlbertan wrote:
As for the issue of substance abuse, most people who have troubles with addictions usually do have underlying psycological problems.

Mental health and additions are related issues, and many (not most) people with a mental health issue have a dual diagnosis with an addiction. Treatment approaches such as therapy are similar for both, that is why they are often grouped together. I would agree that these issues are among the main causes of low income for individuals.

112 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:58 pm

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I am not defensive regarding my depression, if I felt that way I doubt I would post about my depression on a forum.

I have no reason to forgive Fleury...I don't hate him I thought he was a loser. I met him and he was being a tad too friendly to me and my friends if you get my drift. He was all hands and didn't like it when I told him to keep those hands to himself. I met a few pro athletes that were like Fleury....I don't like them either. I have met many famous musicians and surprisingly they weren't anywhere near as rude as the athletes I have met. I don't hate Fleury but I don't give him a free pass from his past behaviour because he had addictions. I don't expect an apology.....


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113 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:24 pm

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Back to the Fontaines.....they supposedly cleaned Gaultier's out of many of the fancier models and did it in an arrogant fashion....I see many car wrecks out in Sagkeeng in teh near future....

I keep saying this like a mantra....those who lack imagination are doomed to be broke....those of us who have had a life and seen a chunk of the planet would do very well on even a million......hate to be cynical but they will be broke. I mean really, he can hardly walk and he got himself a vehicle? Man, these dudes need to chill and get the hell out of Manitoba for awhile....


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114 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:36 pm

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Miz point wrote:Back to the Fontaines.....they supposedly cleaned Gaultier's out of many of the fancier models and did it in an arrogant fashion....I see many car wrecks out in Sagkeeng in teh near future....

I keep saying this like a mantra....those who lack imagination are doomed to be broke....those of us who have had a life and seen a chunk of the planet would do very well on even a million......hate to be cynical but they will be broke. I mean really, he can hardly walk and he got himself a vehicle? Man, these dudes need to chill and get the hell out of Manitoba for awhile....

Good point.

I wish I could write to the Fontaines, along with printouts of the research I've done about lottery winners, and the aftermath of their big win. However, from what I've read, it doesn't appear they will heed the advice.

This is really sad. I'm beginning to wonder if I was being optimistic by predicting the money would be gone in 3 years...

115 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:39 pm

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Miz point wrote:Back to the Fontaines.....they supposedly cleaned Gaultier's out of many of the fancier models and did it in an arrogant fashion....I see many car wrecks out in Sagkeeng in teh near future....

I keep saying this like a mantra....those who lack imagination are doomed to be broke....those of us who have had a life and seen a chunk of the planet would do very well on even a million......hate to be cynical but they will be broke. I mean really, he can hardly walk and he got himself a vehicle? Man, these dudes need to chill and get the hell out of Manitoba for awhile....

Supposedly when they called the prefab housing company they were quite arrogant. They'll be broke soon enough.

Sorry HA but education and world experience plays a big roll in how one manages his/her fiances. I grew up in a financial home with a father who made a six figure salary, he taught me well. Smile

116 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:55 pm

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Miz point wrote:I mean really, he can hardly walk and he got himself a vehicle? Man, these dudes need to chill and get the hell out of Manitoba for awhile....

Wait... Did you actually read this?

117 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:58 pm

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Death - I will get Mr P to later verify......he is at work now....I hope his source is wrong but I do not believe so.


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118 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:09 pm

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Mr brother in law can barely walk and he is fully licensed to drive.

I know people without arms that are licensed to drive.


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119 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:21 pm

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Deank wrote:Mr brother in law can barely walk and he is fully licensed to drive.

I know people without arms that are licensed to drive.

well look on the bright side. One less driver talking on their cell phone Razz

120 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:27 pm

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121 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:41 am

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HurtinAlbertan- You should mail out whatever advice you can send them and wish them well!
I have to send them something from my company in the hopes that when they furnish their homes, they might come into my store for sofas and drapery.
With $50,000,000 to spend on what they want they sure can provide for a stimulous program better than any government can!


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122 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:45 am

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rosencrentz wrote:With $50,000,000 to spend on what they want they sure can provide for a stimulous program better than any government can!

Truer words were never spoken!


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123 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:46 am

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I also heard that the Fontaines bought about 10 mobile homes for some folks at home.

124 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:52 am

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good

BUT... who is going to maintain those homes? Who is responsible for them?


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125 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:52 am

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Deank wrote:good

BUT... who is going to maintain those homes? Who is responsible for them?

Wouldn't the people living in the homes be responsible for them?

126 Re: MB couple win $50 Million in LotoMax on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:57 am

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Hopefully, some pride-of-ownership will kick in.

btw, imo, that is one of the major problems on reserves...

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