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1 Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:29 pm

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Manitoba Sees Record-Breaking Population Growth


Dec. 07, 2009

Provincial growth grew by nearly 17,000 or 1.4% since this time last year, according to the Manitoba Bureau of Statistics (MBS).

It’s the biggest increase in individuals since 1971, when modern-day record keeping began.

Over the last 12 months, an estimated total of 13,101 immigrants made their new homes in Manitoba. This is well above the 10,902 who arrived in the previous 12-month period.

According to MBS estimates, Manitoba’s population stood at 1,226,000 as of October 1.
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This is great news for Manitoba. More people = more jobs!

2 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:51 am

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And it was probably 12000 Filipino immigrants.

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3 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:47 pm

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...plus 6 Germans and one Icelander. Wink

4 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:33 pm

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JTF wrote:...plus 6 Germans and one Icelander. Wink

More like 500 Germans. The few German immigrants at my work all have 6 to 10 children each. And the good thing about that is, they all have jobs. JOBS, not welfare.


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5 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:37 am

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LivingDead wrote:
JTF wrote:...plus 6 Germans and one Icelander. Wink

More like 500 Germans. The few German immigrants at my work all have 6 to 10 children each. And the good thing about that is, they all have jobs. JOBS, not welfare.

Germans are hard working people who more than pull their weight. Manitoba should advertise it's "beauty" in some Eurpoean countries. Perhaps we can send pics of our license plates to every European nation to fool them into believing Manitoba is some sort of holiday destination (which it is technically for 3 months), and kindly omit our unpleasant winter weather.

6 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:29 am

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Yes, record population growth. But how much of it is by choice? When all our growth is by foreign immigrants placed here by the government, what's that say about desirability within country? What industry moved to Manitoba to support this growth? How many jobs have been created? How many WELL PAYING jobs are here?

7 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:09 am

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wpg_idiot wrote:Yes, record population growth. But how much of it is by choice? When all our growth is by foreign immigrants placed here by the government, what's that say about desirability within country? What industry moved to Manitoba to support this growth? How many jobs have been created? How many WELL PAYING jobs are here?


You have to be kidding. Immigrants create jobs. In fact, this has been so well documented that I do not care to elaborat on this. If you wish to research this, go ahead, but Immigrants don't com here to leech off the Canadian government. They work hard to create a better life for their family.


Just like the English in the 17th Century
Just like the Irish in the 19th century
Just like the Jews, Central, and Eastern Europeans in the late 19th/early 20th century
Just like the Italians, Portuguese, and Germans after WW2
Just like the Japanese in the 20th century
Just like the Chinese in the 20th Century.
I can go on and on.

How many Philippinos (the last major wave of immigrants in Winnipeg) do you know that sit on welfare and wait for Government handouts?

They open restaurants, businesses, etc.

New business = jobs.

I'm not implying you are xenophobic, but it does seem like it. Immigrants create jobs and stimulate the economy. End of story.

8 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:11 am

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wpg_idiot wrote:Yes, record population growth. But how much of it is by choice? When all our growth is by foreign immigrants placed here by the government, what's that say about desirability within country? What industry moved to Manitoba to support this growth? How many jobs have been created? How many WELL PAYING jobs are here?

I disagree as well. I'd say your comment is based upon ignorance rather than fact. No offense meant.

Manitoba is put forth to potential immigrants as a desirous locale for those looking to change their lot in life. Most peeps decide to come to Manitoba with their eyes wide open after doing their homework. These people are not afraid to work hard. Some take the jobs many home grown Canadians will not.

It was recently reported Manitoba immigrants indicated these people stayed here as opposed to relocating to other Canadian provinces.

Secondly "all of Manitoba's growth" is not immigrants from other countries. A good part is other Canadians moving here and repatriated Manitobans. Then there is the positive birth rate.

Take a hard look at the facts wpg_idiot. Our unemployment rate has been the lowest or second lowest consistently for a couple years. This despite a global recession that has brought many economies to their knees. Yet the province has grown... Hmmmm.

Imagine how we'd of done with a real government...


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9 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:33 am

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I thought that under this program, the immigrants were skilled. I believe that most of those Germans were machinists. Just askin.

10 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:49 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Imagine how we'd of done with a real government...

In your opinion, what should have been done differently?


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11 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:03 am

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I think for a truly healthy population growth in Manitoba, you would need both immigration from other countries and immigration from other provinces.

We seem to be doing well at immigration from other countries.

We seem to be failing miserably at immigration from other provinces. Why the difference? I think it may have something to with scale. When people move here from other countries, they often move here because they have a community or a family here. They come to work one job.

When you see immigration from other provinces, it is usually due to an industry demand, or relocation of a major business or industry.

What major industry in Manitoba is driving demand for inter-provincial immigration at a higher rate than other provinces? None.

Any industry looking at re-locating? Nope

Any major company looking at moving here? Nope.

People may cite aerospace, but really, is our aerospace sector any bigger than Ontario or Quebec? And are they high tech jobs ( designing and building aircraft) ? , or medium skilled jobs (repairing aircraft) where people can be trained for relatively quick?

Another industry that is cited is the film industry. Granted, it pumps big bucks into the economy, but what demand does it drive for people to relocate here? None. It's a transient industry. The number of people who work in that industry full time here is small. When there is a film shooting, people come in from outside the province, but leave when it is done.

We have been failing for too long at attracting inter-provincial immigration. We need to correct that soon!

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12 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:45 pm

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AGEsAces wrote:And it was probably 12000 Filipino immigrants.

hahahaha.....I would say it is probably due to all those aboriginal teen moms who are following the advice of one chief who told the people that Canada will eventually return to the natives by virtue of the fact that natives reproduce more.....I wonder though what the numbers would reveal, say in just the last five years....?


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13 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:07 pm

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My post was NOT out of ignorance. St. Norberter stated my sentiments clearer.

14 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:17 am

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St Norberter wrote:

People may cite aerospace, but really, is our aerospace sector any bigger than Ontario or Quebec? And are they high tech jobs ( designing and building aircraft) ? , or medium skilled jobs (repairing aircraft) where people can be trained for relatively quick?


Our Aerospace sector would have been the biggest in Canada, except for that a$$hole Mulroney passing over a much superior CF-18 bid by a Winnipeg company in 1985, in favor of giving it to Montreal to appease the separatists. I've never forgiven him for that injustice, and never will.

15 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:23 am

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I doubt our aerospace sector would have ballooned into the largest in Canada. Some serious stuff going on in Quebec what with Bombardier and others. I believe the aerospace sector in Ontario has contracted rather significantly.
KEY CANADIAN CLUSTERS

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Manitoba is home to the largest aerospace sector in Western Canada and is the third largest provider of aerospace goods and services in Canada. Four world-class firms anchor the sector: Aveos Fleet Performance Inc., Bristol Aerospace Limited, Boeing Canada and Standard Aero. The province is also home to 23 established regional and national firms that specialize in tool and dye making, precision sheet metal fabrication, plating and coating and electronics.

Winnipeg is the largest aerospace cluster in western Canada, and is a major centre in North America for manufacturing composite aircraft components, and aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul.

It is home to one of Boeing’s ten major global sites for commercial aircraft, one of only three such sites outside the United States. Boeing’s composite manufacturing facility in Winnipeg is the largest such facility in North America.

The cluster directly employs approximately 5,300 people, led by four global leading firms—Boeing Technology Canada, Magellan Aerospace, Aveos and StandardAero, one of the largest independent MRO firms in the world—plus 23 other established regional and national firms and several mid-sized aerospace suppliers.

British Columbia (BC) Greater Vancouver, the province’s main aerospace cluster, benefits from its proximity to Boeing’s home in neighbouring Washington State. The cluster’s aerospace strengths include: helicopter services, aero engine overhaul, multi-role aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul, space systems, and advanced composite aerostructures.

The industry here is also supported by one of Canada’s largest aerospace training centres at the British Columbia Institute of Technology.

Leading BC aerospace firms include ASCO Aerospace, Avcorp Industries, Cascade Aerospace, CHC Helicopter, Kelowna Flightcraft, MDA Corp., MTU Maintenance, Vector Aerospace and Viking Air.

Alberta’s aerospace and defence industry contributes $1.3 billion in revenue yearly to the economy, as well as over 5,000 jobs exclusive of airlines and airports, and exports 40 percent of its output. The province offers competitive strengths in robotics and unmanned vehicle systems (UVS); space science, geomatics and navigation systems; and maintenance, repair and overhaul. Over 50 aerospace companies are located in and around Calgary alone, with strong clusters in maintenance, repair and overhaul, and information communication technology. Major aerospace companies in Alberta include ATCO Frontec, Field Aviation, ITRES, Iunctus Geomatics, Pratt & Whitney, NovAtel, and Raytheon.

Saskatchewan’s aerospace companies operate in satellite technology, wireless communication systems, atmospheric research and testing, synchrotron research and development, microelectromechanical devices, building structures, cases and harnesses, mini unmanned aerial vehicles and training programs. These organizations employ approximately 2,500 people.

The province’s aerospace companies are located near Saskatoon, including SED Systems, Vecima Networks, Scientific Instrumentations, Summit Structures, SBC Case and Draganfly Innovations.

Quebec Montréal is the hub of Canada’s largest aerospace cluster and is renowned for its expertise in aircraft assembly, engine manufacturing, maintenance repair and overhaul, avionics and landing gear.

Over 42,400 employees work in Quebec’s aerospace industry for firms such as Bombardier Aerospace, Bell Helicopter Textron Canada, Pratt & Whitney Canada, Rolls-Royce Canada and CAE. In 2008 alone, Quebec’s aerospace exports totalled over $8 billion.

Montréal is home to more than 10 aerospace research centers, including the Canadian Space Agency, the Aerospace Manufacturing Technology Centre and the Consortium for Research and Innovation in Aerospace in Quebec. Montréal also has a well integrated network of support agencies, hosting the Quebec Aerospace Association, Aéro Montréal and the headquarters of the International Air Transport Association (IATA), the International Business Aviation Council (IBAC) and the International Civil Aviation Organization.

Southwestern Ontario represents Canada’s second largest aerospace cluster with over 200 firms employing more than 20,000 skilled employees. Toronto, the core of this cluster, has key strengths in aircraft parts manufacturing, aircraft systems development, and maintenance and overhaul. Toronto also hosts many world-leading aerospace firms, such as Bombardier Aerospace, Pratt & Whitney Canada, Honeywell Canada, Magellan and Northstar Aerospace. The University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Study and Ryerson University’s Institute for Aerospace Design and Innovation collaborate with industry partners on numerous R&D projects.

Halifax is home to a number of world-renowned aerospace firms specializing in composite fabrication, electronic assemblies, simulation and modeling technologies, and engine manufacturing. These include Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney Canada, IMP Group, EADS Composites Atlantic, C Vision and CAE.

Prince Edward Island The Charlottetown cluster specializes in engine maintenance, repair and overhaul and the manufacturing of precision components, engine coatings and airplane interiors. Nine aerospace firms, including Honeywell Canada and Vector Aerospace Engine Services Atlantic, operate in the province, specifically as a part of Slemon Park, “home of Prince Edward Island’s aerospace industry.” Holland College’s Aerospace Technology Centre provides a range of training opportunities for the burgeoning aerospace industry.


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16 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:01 am

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But wasn't Quebec's large aerospace industry due largely to interference from the federal government?

17 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:03 am

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Where would Bombardier be today without the untold millions of dollars in subsidy money from the Feds?

Government shouldn't be in the business of interfering with capitalism.


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18 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:02 am

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LennyJessop wrote:

Our Aerospace sector would have been the biggest in Canada, except for that a$$hole Mulroney passing over a much superior CF-18 bid by a Winnipeg company in 1985, in favor of giving it to Montreal to appease the separatists.

I don't think it was to appease any separatists...it was simply to get enough seats in Quebec to form a majority I'd say. Politics is a blood sport afterall.

19 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:20 pm

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JTF wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:

Our Aerospace sector would have been the biggest in Canada, except for that a$$hole Mulroney passing over a much superior CF-18 bid by a Winnipeg company in 1985, in favor of giving it to Montreal to appease the separatists.

I don't think it was to appease any separatists...it was simply to get enough seats in Quebec to form a majority I'd say. Politics is a blood sport afterall.

All I know is Winnipeg really got shafted in that deal. Mulroney obviously viewed Quebec and ontario as the only provinces that mattered. The West repeated got the shaft. That's why the Reform Party took virtually every seat held by the PC party in the next election.

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JTF wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:

Our Aerospace sector would have been the biggest in Canada, except for that a$$hole Mulroney passing over a much superior CF-18 bid by a Winnipeg company in 1985, in favor of giving it to Montreal to appease the separatists.

I don't think it was to appease any separatists...it was simply to get enough seats in Quebec to form a majority I'd say. Politics is a blood sport afterall.
What was the end result? The Bloc.


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21 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:09 pm

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JTF wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:

Our Aerospace sector would have been the biggest in Canada, except for that a$$hole Mulroney passing over a much superior CF-18 bid by a Winnipeg company in 1985, in favor of giving it to Montreal to appease the separatists.

I don't think it was to appease any separatists...it was simply to get enough seats in Quebec to form a majority I'd say. Politics is a blood sport afterall.

As much as I am proud to have Quebec as part of my nation, they, among another group of minorities, are a huge drain on the taxpayers of this country. As much as I hate to admit it, I think that we would be better off financially as a nation with them gone.

22 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:49 am

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Triniman wrote:Where would Bombardier be today without the untold millions of dollars in subsidy money from the Feds?

Government shouldn't be in the business of interfering with capitalism.

Boeing Winnipeg wouldn't even exist if it weren't for foreign offset agreements (which are common in the aerospace industry) and the fact that Air Canada was a crown corporation in the early 70's. The only reason we have any Boeing presence in Winnipeg is because our government worked out that original agreement. It has since grown from those meager beginnings to be a major composites centre, but that doesn't change the fact that it was government "interference" that brought it here to begin with.

Government involvment is not necessarily bad when it's good for "us".

23 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:22 am

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Well...imo, whenever 'government' makes decisions, they're usually political, and those interests are usually very narrow, and not always best for the majority. (although we like to believe otherwise).

24 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:28 pm

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grumpyrom wrote:

Government involvment is not necessarily bad when it's good for "us".


Like the CF-18 contract in 1985...

25 Re: Record Population Growth for Manitoba! on Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:31 pm

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Given that line of thought, would Winnipeg be better off without Boeing's $350-400 million annual economic contribution? It is mind boggling to think that what started as a minor operation with less than 100 employees because of an agreement to buy a few aircraft has turned into one of the premier composites centres in the world. Without the intital government involvement none of it would exist, here or elsewhere in Canada.

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