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26 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:20 pm

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stop treating aboriginals as a whole as unique people with unique problems. treat them exactly the same as everyone else.

27 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:20 pm

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Well then I guess the aboriginals are the ignorant then....


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28 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:53 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:You are right.

We should just ignore the problem, and I'm sure it will go away.
Now hold on thar Bobalouie...

Of course I'm right. But where did I say ignore the problem? Your post was an apology. How will that help?

Come on. That is such a self-righteous and pompous post and you think it'll somehow help?

Post something that will help the matter and then judge the response it elicits...

Ever read the Book of Tao? My favorite saying from it is "wise men seek solutions. The ignorant cast only blame."

I want to hear how you would deal with the Aboriginal issue facing Winnipeg. Rather than bash my posts, why not indicate what you would do differently than the Government is currently handling this dilemma?

I've posted my thoughts on this matter a gazillion time in the sandbox.

But, never mind the deflection. I asked you for your solutions first. Never mind the useless youa culpa. I don't see any solutions in your post. Hell you blamed generation upon generation upon generation of people for the current state of aboriginal affairs. Umm, does that make you ignorant Tao?

What would YOU do?

What did you expect from your first post? The next time you want to debate solutions ask for solutions.


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29 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:16 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:You are right.

We should just ignore the problem, and I'm sure it will go away.
Now hold on thar Bobalouie...

Of course I'm right. But where did I say ignore the problem? Your post was an apology. How will that help?

Come on. That is such a self-righteous and pompous post and you think it'll somehow help?

Post something that will help the matter and then judge the response it elicits...

Ever read the Book of Tao? My favorite saying from it is "wise men seek solutions. The ignorant cast only blame."

I want to hear how you would deal with the Aboriginal issue facing Winnipeg. Rather than bash my posts, why not indicate what you would do differently than the Government is currently handling this dilemma?

I've posted my thoughts on this matter a gazillion time in the sandbox.

But, never mind the deflection. I asked you for your solutions first. Never mind the useless you culpa. I don't see any solutions in your post. Hell you blamed generation upon generation upon generation of people for the current state of aboriginal affairs. Umm, does that make you ignorant Tao?

What would YOU do?

What did you expect from your first post? The next time you want to debate solutions ask for solutions.

Well Grumps,

I know exactly how to deal with this issue. However, it is top secret, and I have made a pledge with CSIS not to disclose any information. You will find out once CSIS gives me to go-ahead to divulge this sensitive info.
silent

30 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:29 pm

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DeanK - twice in one day you disagree with me?? SHAME ON YOU!


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31 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:58 pm

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I would personally love to stop giving a percentage of my hard earned wages to people who refuse to work and don't want to improve their lives. I've done the opposite and they don't deserve to get any of my money. Not one fricking dime!

32 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:35 pm

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Successful troll is successful...

33 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:49 pm

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^ You have a problem dealing with the truth?

34 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:52 pm

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Deank wrote:stop treating aboriginals as a whole as unique people with unique problems. treat them exactly the same as everyone else.

Treat them like how we treat Quebec?

Fah K that too.

Pay out the claims, Cut them off. Stay on your reservation hunting and fishing or join the 21 century and get a job and contribute to Canadian society.

It is that simple. The ones who break the law, build a prison factory and put them to work to pay their debt to society. The ones who have FASD children, put them(mothers) in the Prison factory so they can pay society to look after their children. FASD children who can not behave in society, put them in a Prison factory and they can be productive members of that prison and have a nice warm bed to sleep in and 3 square meals a day. (probably a better life than they have now).

But it wont happen because the bleeding hearts wont let it while complaining that there is no solution. It is the bleeding hearts that are at fault. plain and simple.


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35 Re: Aboriginals on Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:06 pm

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You mean those same bleeding hearts that write useless letters of apology for something that happened generations ago?


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36 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:13 am

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LivingDead wrote:
Deank wrote:stop treating aboriginals as a whole as unique people with unique problems. treat them exactly the same as everyone else.

Treat them like how we treat Quebec?

Fah K that too.

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umm what? thats not what I said at all. I said STOP treating them as a unique people with unique problems.


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37 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:32 am

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EdWin wrote:^ You have a problem dealing with the truth?
lol you's obviously got trolled.

38 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:45 am

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You nailed it.

39 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:16 am

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grumpy old man wrote:You mean those same bleeding hearts that write useless letters of apology for something that happened generations ago?

Not a bleeding heart by any means. Just want to do something different in regards to the issues with Aboriginals in Winnipeg. The government has tried in the last 20 years to:

1. give them money
2. give them more money
3. give them even more money
4. give them money
5. give them money


Now there is a saying that goes something like "insanity is defined as doing the exact same thing and expecting different results"

Why not put the compensation to good use. Provide grants instead of a blank cheque. Grants in terms of college funds, building their respective community, and funds for schools and recreation where a high percentage of Aboriginals reside.

The tough love approach is fine in theory, but not so good in actual practice.

40 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:19 am

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Lenny-Jessop is right on the money ! What money that is given grudgingly has not worked, because it is tied into a welfare mentality of keeping those that need money (help) are entitled to only 1/2 of what one needs to survive.
Our system is set to keep those on social assistance at alevel below the povrty level. So we get poor people set up to have a subsistance level. This is the economic truth, and I don't see the solution.
There are programs to get people off assistance but there are too many babies coming into thge system! We need o take the babies away and have religious groups look after them, to stop the continued poverty.
I agree with the suggestion of a one time payoff, no matter what the cost is, but a contract is a contract and there are too many lawyers out there!


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41 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:12 am

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LennyJessop wrote:

Why not put the compensation to good use. Provide grants instead of a blank cheque. Grants in terms of college funds, building their respective community, and funds for schools and recreation where a high percentage of Aboriginals reside.

Where have you been? We've been pandering to the indians for generations.

People like you with your 'grab your ankles' attitude make it worse by perpetuating the myth that the indians are so hard done by, but some are making millions from the situation the way it is.

Smarten up.

42 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:59 am

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Deank wrote:
LivingDead wrote:
Deank wrote:stop treating aboriginals as a whole as unique people with unique problems. treat them exactly the same as everyone else.

Treat them like how we treat Quebec?

Fah K that too.

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umm what? thats not what I said at all. I said STOP treating them as a unique people with unique problems.

I don't think he is saying you said that. What I took from LD's post was that Canada has been treating Quebec with kid gloves and now we are doing the same with the Aboriginals. All that is doing is creating a bunch of whiners who expect everything for nothing!


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43 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:38 am

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LennyJessop wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:You mean those same bleeding hearts that write useless letters of apology for something that happened generations ago?

Not a bleeding heart by any means. Just want to do something different in regards to the issues with Aboriginals in Winnipeg. The government has tried in the last 20 years to:

1. give them money
2. give them more money
3. give them even more money
4. give them money
5. give them money


Now there is a saying that goes something like "insanity is defined as doing the exact same thing and expecting different results"

Why not put the compensation to good use. Provide grants instead of a blank cheque. Grants in terms of college funds, building their respective community, and funds for schools and recreation where a high percentage of Aboriginals reside.

The tough love approach is fine in theory, but not so good in actual practice.

I dont understand. How will it being grants make a difference? Other then taking away their "right" to decide how to govern themselves.


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44 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:26 am

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Where have you been? We've been pandering to the indians for generations.

People like you with your 'grab your ankles' attitude make it worse by perpetuating the myth that the indians are so hard done by, but some are making millions from the situation the way it is.

Smarten up.

45 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:06 pm

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Frankly I don't have time to look at these 5 minute videos and try to extrapolate your point. Can you not just post your position so we can get on with it?


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46 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:25 pm

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My favorite position is doggy style.

47 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:54 pm

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I get you're making a funny. But this is twice now where I've asked for a position on this subject, a topic I thought you took seriously, and your response is to joke. Yet you chastise me for shitting on your post. I get that I've been kinda rude (sorry) but let's debate the issue...


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48 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:58 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:I get you're making a funny. But this is twice now where I've asked for a position on this subject, a topic I thought you took seriously, and your response is to joke. Yet you chastise me for shitting on your post. I get that I've been kinda rude (sorry) but let's debate the issue...

Let's just agree to disagree. Smile

49 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:29 pm

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Then why post that stuff to begin with?

50 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:12 pm

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JTF wrote:Then why post that stuff to begin with?

It's a message forum, Jimmy.

51 Re: Aboriginals on Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:23 pm

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No it's not. A message forum is much different.

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