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Then go pay for your care and when they drop you cause you cost to much complain to him , he has connections . Funny how Americans never talk about the poor and their system .

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Here is a clever debate tactic...

Lesnar is wrong.


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People dying in our emergency rooms and 20% (I believe that was the figure realeased) of people leaving them before being seen should be a fcuken hint that our system is broken.

More money is not the answer btw....where it is being spent must be addressed.

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How many of the people leaving before they have been seen have a serious condition to begin with? I don't know many people with broken bones, serious wounds, chest pain, head trauma etc. that leave ER's because of the wait. I have however seen many people displaying symptoms that would better be treated at a walk-in clinic in the ER. Here's a hint, don't wait till 11pm on a Friday night to go get your fever and cough checked out at the ER. Either go during the day to a walk-in or wait till Saturday like someone with common sense.....

I've spent my fair share of time in ER's as a child (I was accident prone lol), and as an adult and have friends that work in the system. It's shocking the amount of idiots and hypocondriacs that go in to the ER.

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Pavolo wrote:Then go pay for your care and when they drop you cause you cost to much complain to him , he has connections . Funny how Americans never talk about the poor and their system .

So you disagree with the way Aboriginals are treated, so you should go somewhere else. Not much of an arugment is it??

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grumpyrom wrote:How many of the people leaving before they have been seen have a serious condition to begin with? I don't know many people with broken bones, serious wounds, chest pain, head trauma etc. that leave ER's because of the wait. I have however seen many people displaying symptoms that would better be treated at a walk-in clinic in the ER. Here's a hint, don't wait till 11pm on a Friday night to go get your fever and cough checked out at the ER. Either go during the day to a walk-in or wait till Saturday like someone with common sense.....

I've spent my fair share of time in ER's as a child (I was accident prone lol), and as an adult and have friends that work in the system. It's shocking the amount of idiots and hypocondriacs that go in to the ER.

Too true, so perhaps the answer is better protocols for triage of incoming cases. I chopped a chunk off the end of my finger one night making supper, and went to the ER at 7 Jokes, figuring I needed stitches. I left after 3 hours because I knew I could get into my family doctor the next morning if it didn't stop bleeding. I wasn't feeling sorry for myself, but there was no way I would have been able to go ahead of some of those other people who were obviously in greater distress, but they too had to wait while the drunks were brought in by ambulance or police and given first priority, not that I think they needed more immediate attention, but those crews had to get back on the street to deal with real issues.

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That is not a rant....it is a fact.

Shortage of doctors translates to shortage of choices to go to in an emergency....hell even with a family doctor, they tell you to go to the emerg if you need stitches or have an accident.
...... had to wait while the drunks were brought in by ambulance or police and given first priority...

They have been talking about fixing this for the past 10 fcuken years already!!!

The people that run things are incompetent fools.

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Then what do you think will fix it , lets put one more opinion on the pile .

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I think cutting down the bureaucracy is a good start.


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What needs to be done is to eliminate RHA's Put all the pencil pushing doctors and nurses back to the front lines to do what they were educated to do, and let all the bean counters and managers do what they were trained to do.

They also need to hire double the # of family doctors, so they can have some sort of life outside of their practice.

IMHO nurses, doctors, assistants, secretaries, and all employee's paid by tax payers should be non-unionized.


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Thats right, hire medical professionals to deliver front line service and hire professional managers to take care of the administration. And get some leadership with balls to remember that they run the organization, not the unions.

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Is there anything that isn't the fault of unions around here? Lol. Seems like a common theme.

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grumpyrom wrote:Is there anything that isn't the fault of unions around here? Lol. Seems like a common theme.

Obviously there are, I just can't think of any at the moment.

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Pavolo wrote:Then go pay for your care and when they drop you cause you cost to much complain to him , he has connections . Funny how Americans never talk about the poor and their system .

Actually Pav, I WAS paying for Health Care in Canada. $45/month to be exact for 2 years. I was in Alberta, and that is how the system worked until they dropped the monthly fee when they had a huge surplus of cash right before the recession hit (talk about bad timing!).

I have no problem with this. They should certainly make Health Care accessable to all Canadians, and give the poor and disadvantaged breaks from paying the full price, but it would go a long way in helping our overburdened Health Care system.

$45/month is not a lot of money to pay, considering people in the US can pay upwards of $50,000 for major surgergical procedures.

$45/month x 12 months x 2,500,000 (Albertans over 18) =

$1.35 Billion in annual Revenue for their Health Care system


from my experience, Alberta had better machines and technology, less waiting time, and better salaries for Hospital staff.

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I already pay for health care with my taxes....why should I be expected to pony up more? Just to jump the que?

(Context - I've not had any trips to the hospital since I was 10, emergency appendectomy, probably saved my life...@ the time I was happy the scar wasn't huge...way back in 91-92, and the last time I was in an emergency room was with my wife a few years ago.)

More family doctors as mentioned above, more front line doctors and nurses, less bureaucracy. There's the savings.


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