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Should museums be funded by the taxpayer?

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26 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:24 am

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rosencrentz wrote:All museums should have their funding from all levels of governments eliminated! The Museums, the zoo's, etcetra , should have to operate on the money they collect from visitors!
We dont need no art museum downrown! have you seen how piriful the displays are?
If Cathy Richardson wasn't donating millions of dollars it wouldn't be open!
What a waste of money to hang some irrelevant pictures for people to see, that can be seen in a book from the library, or on Dr. Google!
Come to think of it we should close all "free" libraries , that are paid for by our local taxes! What a waste of money books for cheap people to loan!

We are in a recession.
Why wouldn't we spend our precious tax dollars repairing our existing libraries and museums instead of building new ones at the expense of leaving the old ones in dis-repair?

27 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:53 pm

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Triniman wrote:Guess why? You'd think with all the stimulus money they were throwing around, this project would get millions more. But no. They are listening to the people who believe the overall stewardship to date has been terrible. Not accounting for inflation? Get real.

You have facts to substantiate this claim? You just can't keep making up stories to support your position.

The federal government may well have decided they've no more money for this museum. And they may well believe the museum has been and is very poorly run.

But this is a NATIONAL museum. If they believe the museum management is ineffective they should replace the board and appoint a new manager.

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28 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:01 pm

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Just a question to those who don't support the museum, why not vent your displeasure on the 3 levels of government, all of which have made significant contributions to the project? When the Aspers came calling all the politicians had to do was just say "No"!!

29 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:09 pm

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Freeman wrote:Just a question to those who don't support the museum, why not vent your displeasure on the 3 levels of government, all of which have made significant contributions to the project? When the Aspers came calling all the politicians had to do was just say "No"!!

To be honest, I was in Alberta, when the Aspers got the go-ahead from the Government to build this Museum. So I did not hear much about it until I came back for a few months in 2008. I tried writing to the CMHR and the Provincial Government about this issue, but have yet to receive a response, except an automated one from the Province. Mainly I wanted to know what was to be included in the Museum.

30 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:13 pm

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I have, of course, voiced my displeasure with those in charge. Goes without saying.

31 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:13 pm

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Is your displeasure the content or the public contribution?

32 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:14 pm

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JTF wrote:I have, of course, voiced my displeasure with those in charge. Goes without saying.

It goes without saying.

33 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:16 pm

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Freeman wrote:Is your displeasure the content or the public contribution?
public contribution

34 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:17 pm

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Freeman wrote:Is your displeasure the content or the public contribution?
For myself, it is the lack of information about what is going to be included in the Museum. I have tried to obtain this info, but it seems to be elusive. I think if the Canadian public is picking up 2/3 of the tab, they should have the right to know.

Of course, Gail Asker keeps ducking that issue, and insisting it will be a big "surprise."

35 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:20 pm

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Ahhhh....Lenny....they don't know what's going to go into it. They are now just asking that question.

Does that not make you feel like there has been another agenda at play here?

36 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:23 pm

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JTF wrote:Ahhhh....Lenny....they don't know what's going to go into it. They are now just asking that question.

Does that not make you feel like there has been another agenda at play here?

It certainly does.

It almost seems like the Museum is doing things backwards. Usually when building a significant project such as the CMHR are developed, they will try to get funding from the Government, then ask Canadians what they want to see in the Museum, long before the first shovel was planted into the ground.
They should have been asking Canadians this question at least 4 years ago.

37 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:24 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
Freeman wrote:Is your displeasure the content or the public contribution?
For myself, it is the lack of information about what is going to be included in the Museum. I have tried to obtain this info, but it seems to be elusive. I think if the Canadian public is picking up 2/3 of the tab, they should have the right to know.

Of course, Gail Asker keeps ducking that issue, and insisting it will be a big "surprise."

ARe you referring to specific galleries, displays or just the content as a whole, ie just a place to go and be depressed about what has happened over the last couple of centuries.

38 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:26 pm

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That's the point. We don't need this monument to Asker.

39 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:26 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
Freeman wrote:Is your displeasure the content or the public contribution?
For myself, it is the lack of information about what is going to be included in the Museum. I have tried to obtain this info, but it seems to be elusive. I think if the Canadian public is picking up 2/3 of the tab, they should have the right to know.

Of course, Gail Asker keeps ducking that issue, and insisting it will be a big "surprise."

ARe you referring to specific galleries, displays or just the content as a whole, ie just a place to go and be depressed about what has happened over the last couple of centuries.

Content as a whole. It would be nice to see what my tax money is spent on.

40 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:46 pm

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the content as a whole... or at least ideas on what the content would be without any specifics has always been available. Since goverment has agreed to make it a federal institution the mantra has always been the board will decide on final stuff. You would think that after this much time they would have decided by now but I guess we all just get to be surprised.


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41 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:57 pm

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I was speaking to a friend about the whole tour of Canada to determine public input into the museum. He said that it's complete BS, because they have already decided these things but have to have the tour so they can say that they "consulted with Canadians." He said the CRTC does the same sort of thing.


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42 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:46 pm

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I think the "Big Surprise" mentioned by Gail Asper is going to be:

1) The Aboriginal revolt when they are trucked in or bused in to view the Museum by force!
Triniman- Why would you expect to know what is to be included? That is going to be a surprise, but I spoke to Gail on the week- end and she said for you to email her and she would be happy to email you back on their secretive, surprise plans, as long as you promised not to tell anyone!


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43 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:02 pm

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Triniman wrote:I was speaking to a friend about the whole tour of Canada to determine public input into the museum. He said that it's complete BS, because they have already decided these things but have to have the tour so they can say that they "consulted with Canadians." He said the CRTC does the same sort of thing.

Cannot say I am surprised.
I figured this whole open house idea was just a PR move by the CMHR, and nothing serious will come of it.

44 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:07 pm

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You are correct there. This all part of the smoke and mirrors.

45 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:57 pm

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Triniman wrote:I was speaking to a friend about the whole tour of Canada to determine public input into the museum. He said that it's complete BS, because they have already decided these things but have to have the tour so they can say that they "consulted with Canadians." He said the CRTC does the same sort of thing.

They've probably decided overall exhibit themes, but I highly doubt the directors are finished choosing artifacts, writing information, filming videos, etc. Also, the first exhibits aren't going to be exhibited forever.

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46 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:59 pm

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Freeman wrote:Just a question to those who don't support the museum, why not vent your displeasure on the 3 levels of government, all of which have made significant contributions to the project? When the Aspers came calling all the politicians had to do was just say "No"!!

Hmmm....good point. I suppose though it is easier to call a Zionist Conspiracy.


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47 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:24 pm

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anny wrote:
Triniman wrote:I was speaking to a friend about the whole tour of Canada to determine public input into the museum. He said that it's complete BS, because they have already decided these things but have to have the tour so they can say that they "consulted with Canadians." He said the CRTC does the same sort of thing.

They've probably decided overall exhibit themes, but I highly doubt the directors are finished choosing artifacts, writing information, filming videos, etc. Also, the first exhibits aren't going to be exhibited forever.
Those very very few artifacts are going to cost a considerable amount of money considering that the few that exist are already part of someone else's collection.


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48 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:55 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:I tried writing to the CMHR and the Provincial Government about this issue, but have yet to receive a response, except an automated one from the Province. Mainly I wanted to know what was to be included in the Museum.

I wrote to the Doer gov't, to voice my concerns about them possibly contributing funding above and beyond the original agreement. I received a form letter from one of their ministers saying how great it was going to be, without addressing my concerns. Not impressed.


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49 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:10 pm

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Attitudes were way more positive 2 years ago on this forum!


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50 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:15 am

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The attitudes will only get worse going forward. Rosen what they need you to do is invest heavily in Lotto Max so you can donate $30m to their bottomless pit. With your record of support they could even put you on the payroll as an Assistant to the Assistant Director of Furniture Procurement.

51 Re: Should the taxpayer fund museums? on Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:47 am

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Hey, Jondo! Rosen resembles those remarks!


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