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26 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:49 pm

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djh wrote:if history can be a guide, the internet will be a targeted commodity for ownership. i don..t believe this can be done anytime soon but the web is only young. traditional news media, newspapers, TV networks such as ABC, NBC, CBS, , etc... took decades after their founding to come under Zionist control.

Well I would not go that are as to suggest all Jewish TV network heads are Zionists, there's no question that it has influenced American foreign policy. What's more ironic is most Israeli Jews want peace, and are willing to talk turkey with the Pals.

I sure as hell hope they don't make the internet a targeted commodity for ownership. The way technology has evolved, I'm not sure if they could even achieve that. Even if they did, I'm sure some network savvy individuals would get around it.

27 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:51 pm

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Pavolo wrote:So Izzy was pro Israel so what

There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.

28 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:56 pm

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djh wrote:you made the point perfectly. a million red flags can go up in someones mind. that doesnt mean a person cannot say what is on his or hers mind. i dont think the winnipeg sandbox is a division of canwest global or its subsidiaries.

Because we don't see thing your way?

29 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:06 pm

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i dont understand your question and or point. my point was people are free to see things their own way and speak their minds. unlike the writers, contributors and editors at asper controlled canwest media.

30 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:07 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
Pavolo wrote:So Izzy was pro Israel so what

There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.
I don't get this.


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31 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:08 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:
Pavolo wrote:So Izzy was pro Israel so what

There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.
I don't get this.


see Trin's posts...

32 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:09 pm

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djh wrote:i dont understand your question and or point. my point was people are free to see things their own way and speak their minds. unlike the writers, contributors and editors at asper controlled canwest media.
How do we know this is happening at Canwest Media?


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33 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:11 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:
Pavolo wrote:So Izzy was pro Israel so what

There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.
I don't get this.


see Trin's posts...
What? No way. Why should I start looking at someone else's posts (plural) to try to figure out what YOU mean in one of YOUR posts?

Speak your mind.


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34 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:12 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
djh wrote:i dont understand your question and or point. my point was people are free to see things their own way and speak their minds. unlike the writers, contributors and editors at asper controlled canwest media.
How do we know this is happening at Canwest Media?

Triniman wrote:Peter C. Newman is one of Canada's best known journalists. He received a grant from the Asper Foundation to write the 2008 book Izzy: The Passionate Life and Turbulent Times of Izzy Asper, Canada's Media Mogul.

Newman knew Izzy Asper and had this to say about him not too long ago:


"The story "Lament for Izzy: The fall of an empire" appeared in the
Oct 27 - Nov 9, 2009, issue Canadian Business. Veteran Canadian
business writer Peter Newman described how Izzy Asper ran the Southam
newspaper chain in 2000. Newman: "[I]t included publishers, editors and
columnists not willing to toe his party line. That he could not
tolerate. He recognized no reason for owning publications unless they
reflected his personal points of view. 'Every Southam editor, reporter,
columnist, etc. is now on notice and will be fired for provable causes
if there is a deviation.'" The "deviation" in question lay in not
subscribing to Asper's hard pro-Israel editorial line. Pluralism,
diversity, freedom to dissent, didn't apply when it came to Israel."

Sorry, Trin. Needed to clarify my point.

35 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:13 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:
Pavolo wrote:So Izzy was pro Israel so what

There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.
I don't get this.


see Trin's posts...
What? No way. Why should I start looking at someone else's posts (plural) to try to figure out what YOU mean in one of YOUR posts?

Speak your mind.

I've already mentioned this on a number of occasions. I used Triniman's article to substantiate my claim.

36 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:17 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:
Pavolo wrote:So Izzy was pro Israel so what

There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.
I don't get this.

Neither do I as LJ is making oblique inferences, again, and not providing examples.


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37 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:18 pm

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what doesnt surprise me is the extent of shenanigans and improper dealings of the aspers and canwest. this is only natural to them. what surprises me is the speed and passion at which people rise to defend them. why?. must be something subconscious

38 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:18 pm

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Miz point wrote:

Neither do I as LJ is making oblique inferences, again, and not providing examples.

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39 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:19 pm

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djh wrote:what doesnt surprise me is the extent of shenanigans and improper dealings of the aspers and canwest. this is only natural to them. what surprises me is the speed and passion at which people rise to defend them. why?. must be something subconscious

Because they have "done so much for Winnipeg!" Smile

40 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:20 pm

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djh wrote:what doesnt surprise me is the extent of shenanigans and improper dealings of the aspers and canwest. this is only natural to them. what surprises me is the speed and passion at which people rise to defend them. why?. must be something subconscious

What shenanigans are you referring to? Improper dealings?? Please provide some sort of proof...


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41 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:22 pm

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What bothers me is completely unsubstantiated claims about ANYBODY.


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42 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:23 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:What bothers me is completely unsubstantiated claims about ANYBODY.

Exactly.


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43 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:24 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
djh wrote:i dont understand your question and or point. my point was people are free to see things their own way and speak their minds. unlike the writers, contributors and editors at asper controlled canwest media.
How do we know this is happening at Canwest Media?

Triniman wrote:Peter C. Newman is one of Canada's best known journalists. He received a grant from the Asper Foundation to write the 2008 book Izzy: The Passionate Life and Turbulent Times of Izzy Asper, Canada's Media Mogul.

Newman knew Izzy Asper and had this to say about him not too long ago:


"The story "Lament for Izzy: The fall of an empire" appeared in the
Oct 27 - Nov 9, 2009, issue Canadian Business. Veteran Canadian
business writer Peter Newman described how Izzy Asper ran the Southam
newspaper chain in 2000. Newman: "[I]t included publishers, editors and
columnists not willing to toe his party line. That he could not
tolerate. He recognized no reason for owning publications unless they
reflected his personal points of view. 'Every Southam editor, reporter,
columnist, etc. is now on notice and will be fired for provable causes
if there is a deviation.'" The "deviation" in question lay in not
subscribing to Asper's hard pro-Israel editorial line. Pluralism,
diversity, freedom to dissent, didn't apply when it came to Israel."

Sorry, Trin. Needed to clarify my point.

But you've clarified nothing.

Why do you feel an editorial is proof of anything?


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44 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:25 pm

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Goth_chic wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:What bothers me is completely unsubstantiated claims about ANYBODY.

Exactly.

Irony....


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45 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:28 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.

I absolutely have no clue what this statement means.

Are you saying that people should not bring their personal convictions to bear in their business practices?


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46 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:28 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
djh wrote:what doesnt surprise me is the extent of shenanigans and improper dealings of the aspers and canwest. this is only natural to them. what surprises me is the speed and passion at which people rise to defend them. why?. must be something subconscious

Because they have "done so much for Winnipeg!" Smile

What do you have against the Aspers? Is it their money? Their empire? Their politics? Or is it their cultural background? Where are the examples of ethical breaches? Please cite some.


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47 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:28 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:What bothers me is completely unsubstantiated claims about ANYBODY.

"Peter Charles Newman, CC, CD (born 10 May 1929) is a Canadianjournalist and writer.
Born in
Vienna, Austria, Newman emigrated from Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia to Canada in 1940 as a Jewish refugee. His father, Peter, was a wealthy factory owner. Newman was educated at Upper Canada College, where he was a member of Seaton's House, and the University of Toronto. He has been a reporter for the Financial Post, served as editor of the Toronto Star, and was the long-time editor of Maclean's, stewarding its transformation from a general interest magazine to a weekly newsmagazine. He continues to write a column for the periodical. In 1978 he was made an Officer of the Order of Canada and was promoted to the rank of Companion in 1990.

Newman is widely respected for his intimate knowledge and understanding of Canadian business leaders. His 1975 book,
The Canadian Establishment was widely acclaimed. Newman made his name as an author in the 1960s with the publication of two books: Renegade in Power: The Diefenbaker Years (1963), a study of the government of John George Diefenbaker that some say helped destroy the Tory leader's career, and The Distemper of Our Times (1968), an examination of Canadian politics during the era of Lester Pearson.

On 12 September 2005, Newman announced the publication of
The Secret Mulroney Tapes: Unguarded Confessions of a Prime Minister, a biography of former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney, whom he considers a friend. The information released to the press contained several surprising revelations, including an allegation by Mulroney that Pierre Trudeau's contribution "was not to build Canada but to destroy it." Later the same day, Mulroney issued a press release stating he felt "devastated" and "betrayed" by the publication of information he had understood to be confidential. Shortly after the publication of The Secret Mulroney Tapes, both Mulroney and Conrad Black filed suit against Newman.

Newman has been married four times, once to writer
Christina McCall. He lives with his fourth wife, Alvy Newman, in Toronto, Ontario."


source; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_C._Newman
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Seems like a fairly reliable source to me...

48 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:29 pm

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Miz point wrote:
Goth_chic wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:What bothers me is completely unsubstantiated claims about ANYBODY.

Exactly.

Irony....

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49 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:31 pm

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what i meant by shenanigans and improper dealings are described in the book "Asper nation: canadas most dangerous media company" by marc edge. absolute proof is not necessary to decribe ones opinion on a subject. its a viewpoint not a legal document.

50 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:31 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. It's when you let your personal convictions interfere with your business ethics and practices.

I absolutely have no clue what this statement means.

Are you saying that people should not bring their personal convictions to bear in their business practices?

If they are concerned about their journalistic integrity, they are best left at home...

51 Re: Canwest Media on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:33 pm

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I did not say anything about Newmans character or reliability. But his is an opinion. How is someone's opinion proof of anything?


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