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76 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:07 am

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media ownership in the hands of the few is a very dangerous prospect. wether people like to admit it or not the media weilds frightening amounts of power in society. if one group of people control the media that is a great disservice to the country and society as a whole. someone might call this "success". i call it media occupation. there have been attempts by ottawa to solve this problem but with no success. to answer your question more directly, 2 percent of the population having so much power really bothers me. wether they were jews or not.

77 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:12 am

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Is there any evidence that the media is disproportionately owned by one group?


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78 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:21 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Heck, I'd be satisfied with a rational post that really explains why his POV should concern me.

The above statement could be read in two ways. I shall read it to mean that you are seeking further evidence from him to back up his claims. The same tired cliches are being used in this thread by two individuals, and to what purpose?


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79 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:25 am

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This is my objective. If someone claims that one group is "whatever" then back it up. Provide evidence to prove their theories that we should be concerned.

So far - zero proof. Personal opinion and anecdotes and other people's opinion are proffered in lieu of fact.

That is very consistent in this thread and at least one other very controversial thread.


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80 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:34 am

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four of the five major us tv networks are either owned or run by jews. the fifth, newscorp,has a jew as its ceo. this is according to the losangeles jewish times. the new york times, washington post, time magazine, losangeles times, etc..........are also. in canada the obvious one is canwest. hollywood is overwhelming controlled by jews and has a major influence on how people think, this is according to the us jewish magazine "moment" as i said earlier, wether or not they are jews, 2 percent of the population having so much power is very unsettling, at least to me.

81 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:36 am

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Okay. Let's assume you are correct. What evil has that influence propagated on this land?


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82 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:36 am

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djh wrote:four of the five major us tv networks are either owned or run by jews. the fifth, newscorp,has a jew as its ceo. this is according to the losangeles jewish times. the new york times, washington post, time magazine, losangeles times, etc..........are also. in canada the obvious one is canwest. hollywood is overwhelming controlled by jews and has a major influence on how people think, this is according to the us jewish magazine "moment" as i said earlier, wether or not they are jews, 2 percent of the population having so much power is very unsettling, at least to me.

Why is it unsettling? What power?


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83 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:41 am

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i refer you to my post at the top of the page.

84 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:42 am

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Your post at the top of the page that makes inferences but provides not one example.......come on already!


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85 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:45 am

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djh wrote:i refer you to my post at the top of the page.
if one group of people control the media that is a great disservice to the country and society as a whole. someone might call this "success". i call it media occupation. there have been attempts by ottawa to solve this problem but with no success.

What disservice?

What attempts has Ottawa made to solve this problem?


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86 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:46 am

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Way too much anti-semitism being spouted here, although I have seen it, felt it, and lived it! It is a fact of life and "we" have learnt to live with it!
I don't care that "you" are jealous of the 2% of the population that control 8% of the "everything"!
That 8% of everything was earned not given to "us"!
Stop complaining and get off your butts and get to work and earn your own 8% of the "everything"!


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87 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:51 am

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rosencrentz wrote:Way too much anti-semitism being spouted here, although I have seen it, felt it, and lived it! It is a fact of life and "we" have learnt to live with it!
I don't care that "you" are jealous of the 2% of the population that control 8% of the "everything"!
That 8% of everything was earned not given to "us"!
Stop complaining and get off your butts and get to work and earn your own 8% of the "everything"!

Well said. Not all of us who are OTT are privileged, rich, part of a great conspiracy (if one even existed!!), are totally pro-Israel, lawyers, doctors, media moguls, Hollywood Producers.....whatever other tired cliches can trotted out! But yeah most of us have had to suffer at the hands of the ignorant who have been spoon fed bitterness by their ignorant forbears and to what purpose?

I hate quoting Neitsche (sic) but now it is appropos and kind of ironic too - "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger."


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88 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:59 am

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i could write an essay on this subject but this is not the place to write it. i gave examples, marc edges book, losangeles jewish times, moment. discussing the realities of media ownership is NOT antisemitism. using taxpayers money to build shrines to pierre trudeau is NOT work. building stadiums, canwest baseball park, david aspers football debacle, is NOT work. running a country which recieves billions upon billions in foreign aid monthly is NOT work. calling me an antisemite does not make reality vanish. nor will it instill fear in me, which it is intended to do!

89 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:02 pm

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Where are the linked articles? Surely with that plethora of "evidence" that you have to back up your claims you can provide more links than just that of one author?


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90 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:17 pm

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there were two attempts by paliament to regulate percentages of media ownership. one in 1970 and another in 2007. i am not aware of the exact details of the events or their reasons for failure.perhaps someone else with better computer skills can verify this for me, like in the past.

91 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:29 pm

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Wasn't the CRTC set up to make sure that, amoung other things, ownership was not put into the hands of a few?

92 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:36 pm

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http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/BACKGRND/Brochures/B29903.htm

snipped....
The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
(CRTC) is an independent public organization that regulates and
supervises the Canadian broadcasting and telecommunications systems.

The CRTC does not regulate newspapers, magazines, cell phone rates, the
quality of service and business practices of cell phone companies, or
the quality and content of TV and radio programs.

As an independent organization, the CRTC works to serve the needs and
interests of citizens, industries, interest groups and the government.

The CRTC reports to Parliament through the Minister of Canadian Heritage.


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93 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:44 pm

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http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/BACKGRND/Brochures/B29903.htm



quote:

Activities


The CRTC supervises and regulates over 2000 broadcasters, including TV, AM and FM radio and the companies that bring these services to you. We also regulate telecommunications carriers including major telephone companies. This role involves:

  • issuing, renewing and amending broadcasting licences
  • making decisions on mergers, acquisitions and changes of ownership in broadcasting
  • approving tariffs and certain agreements for the telecommunications industry
  • issuing licences for international telecommunications services, whose networks allow telephone users to make and receive calls outside Canadian borders
  • encouraging competition in telecommunications markets
  • responding to requests for information and concerns about broadcasting and telecommunications issues


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So, the government is concerned and has done something.

94 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:08 pm

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rosencrentz wrote:Way too much anti-semitism being spouted here, although I have seen it, felt it, and lived it! It is a fact of life and "we" have learnt to live with it!
I don't care that "you" are jealous of the 2% of the population that control 8% of the "everything"!
That 8% of everything was earned not given to "us"!
Stop complaining and get off your butts and get to work and earn your own 8% of the "everything"!

anti-semitism: the most overly used word in the english language.

95 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:10 pm

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gom said: why should djhs POV concern me. it doesnt have to. then again why should anyones opinion concern anyone? belittling someones POV is often an attempt to discredit them entirely. my POV is not unique to me. i know many others who think along the same lines, but they are afraid to speak up, fearing being accused of being a antisemite. one of my friends is a proffessional working in the downtown. if he made his real opinion on the aspers known he said he would be fired, as his employer are jewish lawyers. dont ask me to name him because i wont.

96 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:13 pm

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LennyJessop wrote:
rosencrentz wrote:Way too much anti-semitism being spouted here, although I have seen it, felt it, and lived it! It is a fact of life and "we" have learnt to live with it!
I don't care that "you" are jealous of the 2% of the population that control 8% of the "everything"!
That 8% of everything was earned not given to "us"!
Stop complaining and get off your butts and get to work and earn your own 8% of the "everything"!

anti-semitism: the most overly used word in the english language.

Really? Got any numbers to back that claim up?


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97 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:14 pm

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djh wrote:there were two attempts by paliament to regulate percentages of media ownership. one in 1970 and another in 2007. i am not aware of the exact details of the events or their reasons for failure.perhaps someone else with better computer skills can verify this for me, like in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_ownership_in_Canada

Between 1990 and 2005 there were a number of media corporate mergers and takeovers in Canada. For example, in 1990, 17.3% of daily newspapers were independently owned; wheras in 2005, 1% were. These changes, among others, caused the Senate Standing Committee on Transport and Communications to launch a study of Canadian news media in March 2003. (This topic had been examined twice in the past, by the Davey Commission (1970) and the Kent Commission (1981), both of which produced recommendations that were never implemented in any meaningful way.)[1][2]

The Senate Committee’s final report, released in June 2006, expressed concern about the effects of the current levels of news media ownership in Canada. Specifically, the Committee discussed their concerns regarding the following trends: the potential of media ownership concentration to limit news diversity and reduce news quality; the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission]] (CRTC) and Competition Bureau’s ineffectiveness at stopping media ownership concentration; the lack of federal funding for the CBC and the broadcaster’s uncertain mandate and role; diminishing employment standards for journalists (including less job security, less journalistic freedom, and new contractual threats to intellectual property); a lack of Canadian training and research institutes; and difficulties with the federal government’s support for print media and the absence of funding for the internet-based news media.[3][4]

The report provided 40 recommendations and 10 suggestions (for areas outside of federal government jurisdiction), including legislation amendments that would trigger automatic reviews of a proposed media merger if certain thresholds are reached, and CRTC regulation revisions to ensure that access to the broadcasting system is encouraged and that a diversity of news and information programming is available through these services.[5][6]

98 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:16 pm

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that kind of statistic is 100 percent impossible to come up with and miz point, you know that. you have to think out what you say better.

99 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:18 pm

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djh wrote:gom said: why should djhs POV concern me. it doesnt have to. then again why should anyones opinion concern anyone? belittling someones POV is often an attempt to discredit them entirely.
I find that to be a common and repeated tactic of some people who are losing an argument. It's much easier to try and discredit someone, than to actually take the time to counter their argument in a civil manner.

100 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:28 pm

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djh wrote:that kind of statistic is 100 percent impossible to come up with and miz point, you know that. you have to think out what you say better.

hahahahah...that is rich. Perhaps those that toss out claims of one word being used the most in English should perhaps think out "better" before making claims that according to you are IMPOSSILBE to substantiate.


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101 Re: Canwest Media on Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:30 pm

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^ Again, you shouldn't criticize others when "adult" members of your own family can't even express themselves in a coherent manner 98% of the time.

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