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1 Is Selinger Genuine? on Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:05 am

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Who’s he kidding?

Selinger and his union bosses are still singing Solidarity Forever

By Tom Brodbeck, Winnipeg Sun

Last Updated: February 20, 2010 11:59pm
Manitoba New Democrats are going to “take on the unions” by trying to impose a wage freeze on their members, we found out last week. That’s funny.

Does Premier Greg Selinger really expect us to believe the NDP is going to bite the hand that feeds it by turning their backs on organized labour?

That’s a belly laugh.

The NDP has driven the province’s finances into the ground after 10 years of reckless spending. They’re now $602 million in the hole and have driven provincial debt to record levels.

All of which doesn’t bode well for rookie Premier Greg Selinger, whose most important political task leading up to an October 2011 election is to try to convince voters that he has at least a trace of fiscal conservatism in his bone marrow.

One of the best ways to demonstrate that is to pretend to take on the big bad unions. It’s a pretty good script and the union bosses, including MGEU prez Peter Olfert, are playing along quite nicely by feigning indignation at this latest “attack” on organized labour by the NDP.

The set-up for this stage play probably went something like this over beers at the Union Centre on Broadway.

Selinger: OK you guys, you know we’re in a bit of a financial pickle and in order to get re-elected next year, we’re going to have to show the public that we’re not just a bunch of tire-slashing, raving socialists who get our marching orders from union bosses.

Union bosses: But Greg, you do get your marching orders from us.

Selinger: I know that. And I embrace it. It’s what grounds me. But we can’t get elected on that partnership. We have to pretend that we’re sticking it to you so voters think we’re putting their interests ahead of yours.

Union bosses: What the hell, Greg. The public’s interests ahead of ours? Who do you think pays your bills and provides you with an army of workers at election time?

Selinger: I know. I know. And we all appreciate that. Remember, we’re all brothers and sisters. It’s just that we have to work together or the Conservatives will get back into office and trust me, you don’t want that. The first thing they would do is bring back secret-ballot votes for certification drives. What do you think that would do to our, I mean your, membership?

Union bosses: OK, we get it. But how do we sell this to our members?

Selinger: Oh we’ll give you other things to sweeten the pot. First of all, we don’t really expect a wage freeze. We would just say it publicly to make it look like we’re bringing the hammer down on you guys. Your role is to fight back in the media, call us a few names and accuse us of being irresponsible and anti-union. That’s what we need to help convince voters we don’t get our marching orders from this building. And then we’ll end up negotiating something like a 2% raise over two years and it will look like we fought hard for taxpayers.

Union bosses: What about benefits and overtime rates and things like that?

Selinger: We’ll beef them up but we’ll keep that part quiet. The public will only know what we tell them. It’s not like we ever make an entire collective agreement public after we approve a contract. Hell, your members don’t even see the full contracts they vote on. They only know what you tell them at the brothers-and-sisters meetings.

Union bosses: True. And we definitely don’t want to give prospective members the right to a secret ballot vote again, that’s for damn sure. OK, you got a deal Greg.


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2 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:08 am

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Great googely-mogely! I agree with brodbeck. (shhhh don't tell anyone)

Is selinger playing games with us? I say he is. As funny as this is, you must read the posts at the Sun. The MGEA and CUPE are arguing who is the more useless union.

I laughed and laughed...


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3 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:09 am

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Love the narrative.

What a joke....the NDP fighting the Unions. Rolling Eyes

4 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:01 am

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I think my wife would say they are both useless , as her goverment union did , done , sshrt for her and her battle with the WRHA.

5 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:16 pm

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This is pathetic. Manitoba already has the weakest union in the country that has been bashed by governments for decades. They have the lowest wages and almost no benefits compared to the rest of Canada. How much more will they be able to take?

6 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:38 pm

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"They have the lowest wages "

thanks for the laugh!


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7 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:50 pm

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eViL tRoLl wrote:This is pathetic. Manitoba already has the weakest union in the country that has been bashed by governments for decades. They have the lowest wages and almost no benefits compared to the rest of Canada. How much more will they be able to take?
Huh?


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8 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:32 pm

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Deank wrote:"They have the lowest wages "

thanks for the laugh!
Collective Agreements are all publicly accessible. For example compare Ontario Clerk 1 (from http://www.opseu.org/ops/collective/OPSCollectiveAgree200912web.pdf):
CLERK 1, SUPPLY
17.27 17.46 17.80 18.33

in Manitoba (from http://www.mgeu.ca/files/File/GEMA%20salary%20Sched%2006-10/year_4_clerical.pdf):
CLERK 1
13.25 13.63 13.99 14.39

The differences get MUCH bigger higher up the food chain. Professionals earn 50% to 75% of the wages of their Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, or New Brunswick counterparts, and they have a longer work week on top of that, as well as less than half the benefits that employees of other provinces enjoy.

9 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:34 pm

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uhuh.. sure whatever.

Lets just ignore the fact that the nurses for the most part have an agreement that makes them the 4th highest paid in Canada no matter what.


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10 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:35 pm

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yeah...but those wages aren't reflected by cost-of-living differences.

For example housing in larger populations of Ontario are much more expensive than housing in Winnipeg.

So taking just flat numbers for salaries is irrelevant unless compared against average cost of living expenses for each area.

Then you'd probably find the salaries are more or less equal...perhaps SLIGHTLY higher in one area or another...but most likely cause there's a shortage and are trying to attract workers...or there's a large majority of workers who have high seniority.

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11 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:38 pm

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Deank wrote:uhuh.. sure whatever.

Lets just ignore the fact that the nurses for the most part have an agreement that makes them the 4th highest paid in Canada no matter what.

Physicicans here have a collective agreement that makes them the highest paid in Canada, and close to the top worldwide, so I agree that the there are SOME unions that get along with government. Obviously there is a huge gap between those at the top and those at the bottom, and general union bashing does not help that along.

12 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:42 pm

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AGEsAces wrote:yeah...but those wages aren't reflected by cost-of-living differences.

For example housing in larger populations of Ontario are much more expensive than housing in Winnipeg.

So taking just flat numbers for salaries is irrelevant unless compared against average cost of living expenses for each area.

Then you'd probably find the salaries are more or less equal...perhaps SLIGHTLY higher in one area or another...but most likely cause there's a shortage and are trying to attract workers...or there's a large majority of workers who have high seniority.
Downtown Toronto is not representative of other Ontario areas. I go to Ontario frequently and always take along an extra suitcase to fill up with food as groceries there are much cheaper. One load saves me about $100 to $200 on food costs! Go to any rent site and check rents, they are the same or lower for most Ontario cities compared to Winnipeg.

13 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:43 pm

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I think union bashing should be an Olympic sport. I think I'd medal...


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14 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:46 pm

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Best check again evil troli. I lived in TO for many moons and I can tell ya that even centres as far adrift of TO such as London and Barrie and Kingston housing costs are much higher than Winnipeg.

There are affordability index's that address this. I don't have time now to get links.


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15 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:49 pm

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"One load saves me about $100 to $200 on food costs!"

what the heck kind of stuff are you bringing back?


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16 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:52 pm

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Cigarettes?


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17 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:54 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:Best check again evil troli. I lived in TO for many moons and I can tell ya that even centres as far adrift of TO such as London and Barrie and Kingston housing costs are much higher than Winnipeg.

Rents in London are pretty much the same, if not lower. I have a house there that costs about $2500 in taxes - the taxes for an equivalent place here are about $4000+. To buy an equivalent house here would also cost at least 60% more as I would get if the place was sold, as the housing market here is inflated compared to London. Low cost of living in Manitoba is a myth.

18 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:57 pm

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Deank wrote:"One load saves me about $100 to $200 on food costs!"

what the heck kind of stuff are you bringing back?

Pasta, cheese, cereal for example. Price is about 1/2 to 1/3. One problem is lack of discount gorcery stores, only one Price Chopper is not enough. Ontario has No Frills, Food Basics etc every where. On the other hand we have overpriced safeways everywhere.

19 Re: Is Selinger Genuine? on Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:01 pm

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We have Giant Tiger here as well.


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