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101 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:22 pm

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Miz point wrote:Schlemiel, schlemozzle, hassenpfeffer incorporated!!!!!

Is that some sort of evil blonde jewish curse?

102 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:41 pm

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Nah, Laverne and Shirley (yeah, I know they were Jewish too - another damned conspiracy!!!) heheheh.


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103 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:05 pm

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Miz point wrote:Nah, Laverne and Shirley (yeah, I know they were Jewish too - another damned conspiracy!!!) heheheh.
OMG are we dating ourselves when we can remember that!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too Funny MizP.....
Nano Nano, Shazbut and all that cool stuff.


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104 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:13 pm

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holly golightly wrote:
Miz point wrote:Nah, Laverne and Shirley (yeah, I know they were Jewish too - another damned conspiracy!!!) heheheh.
OMG are we dating ourselves when we can remember that!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too Funny MizP.....
Nano Nano, Shazbut and all that cool stuff.

Better to be able to recall that memory than to be so far gone as to not remember! :party 005:


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105 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:18 pm

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yeah but I just wished I could remember more important things??? hahahah...frizzle frazzle wozzle


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106 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:23 pm

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Deank wrote:Its time we removed the open liquor charge from the books.

It makes little sense. Just what exactly is so wrong about having open liqour in public?

LOL...I agree. I remember years ago I had a party at my parents cottage in Grand Marais....a friend of mine was walking down the street with a beer, RCMP drove up behind so he tossed his beer in the bushes. The officer went into the bush with a flashlight just to find the bottle and gave him a $99.00 open liquor fine.

Little sense indeed. I am younger guy, that is all I wish to say, but my age could have something to do with what happened to me, but a few months ago I went over to a friends house a couple of blocks from mine. I live in Winnipeg South Centre and I had walked over. I had brought a six pack of bottles with me to watch a hockey game. I had three there and left around 12:30-1am or so to head home. A WPS cruiser stopped me as I crossed a residential street and said I had open liquor (the 3 remaining bottles were in the box, unopened) and I said I did not. The officer in the passenger seat got out, told me that if a box of beer is open, its open liquor and I could and would be charged if I did not open up the remaining bottles and pour them on the boulevard. I explained I wasn`t driving and lived a block away and I showed him proof of address. He said he didn`t care and asked if I wanted to keep my beer and get arrested instead. Like I said, I am a young guy, so I did as I was told and went home quite pissed off and without my remaining beer. (which was sleemans cream ale)

107 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:38 pm

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Ralphie wrote:
Goth_chic wrote:
Deank wrote:Its time we removed the open liquor charge from the books.

It makes little sense. Just what exactly is so wrong about having open liqour in public?

LOL...I agree. I remember years ago I had a party at my parents cottage in Grand Marais....a friend of mine was walking down the street with a beer, RCMP drove up behind so he tossed his beer in the bushes. The officer went into the bush with a flashlight just to find the bottle and gave him a $99.00 open liquor fine.

Little sense indeed. I am younger guy, that is all I wish to say, but my age could have something to do with what happened to me, but a few months ago I went over to a friends house a couple of blocks from mine. I live in Winnipeg South Centre and I had walked over. I had brought a six pack of bottles with me to watch a hockey game. I had three there and left around 12:30-1am or so to head home. A WPS cruiser stopped me as I crossed a residential street and said I had open liquor (the 3 remaining bottles were in the box, unopened) and I said I did not. The officer in the passenger seat got out, told me that if a box of beer is open, its open liquor and I could and would be charged if I did not open up the remaining bottles and pour them on the boulevard. I explained I wasn`t driving and lived a block away and I showed him proof of address. He said he didn`t care and asked if I wanted to keep my beer and get arrested instead. Like I said, I am a young guy, so I did as I was told and went home quite pissed off and without my remaining beer. (which was sleemans cream ale)

Yep, that's the law... I wonder how it applies if you don't have the box... just an unopened bottle....


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108 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:40 pm

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You'd think the cops would let something like that slide...at least Ralphie wasn't driving after having a few.


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109 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:43 pm

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Commie bastards.

Capitalist good. Socialist bad.


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110 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:44 pm

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That cop was wrong.
Opened alcohol means it has to be consumable without breaking a seal.

So an opened box does not qualify, as the seal of the bottle had not been broken yet.

Personally, I would've said "arrest me"...and then forced them to try and prosecute it using the evidence...and then reimburse me for the time to fight the stupid charge, the lost alcohol, and had that officer educated as to what the law ACTUALLY is...not HIS interpretation of it.

I really hate cops who get on their "power-trip" because of the badge.

A REAL cop, would've just said "take it straight home...and don't open any till you're on your own property".

Though...in this case...they were probably afraid Ralphie would shoot his eye out!!! Wink

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111 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:50 pm

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wait a minute... so the officer of the law forced you to
litter (subject to fines) dispose of a noxious substance in an unapproved manner (subject to fines)


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112 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:56 pm

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well it wasn't littering because they told me to take my empties home but yeah other than that its exactly as I told it. To be honest I didn`t want the hassle (or the trouble) of getting into an argument as I did have a few beers and they could have used that to their advantage. Although I certainly wasn`t inebriated.

113 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:00 pm

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See...as soon as you opened the bottles to dump them out...THEN you had open alcohol.

And carrying those "empties" home...THAT was open alcohol...cause there was still residue in the bottles Wink.

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114 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:02 pm

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Ralphie wrote:well it wasn't littering because they told me to take my empties home but yeah other than that its exactly as I told it. To be honest I didn`t want the hassle (or the trouble) of getting into an argument as I did have a few beers and they could have used that to their advantage. Although I certainly wasn`t inebriated.

and the liquid you spilled... thats not littering? indeed it is ...


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115 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:03 pm

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geez in retrospect I`m really annoyed. dean and ages both have good points. its just another demonstration of time wasting WPS... sad really since they are supposed to be here to protect us not harass us..

116 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:05 pm

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Ralphie it was open bozze I got nailed for the same sorta thing once , and fought it but to no avail.

117 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:10 pm

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Pav, did you know that was the law at the time? Or did you think you could get away with it?


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118 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:18 pm

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And Pav...it would seem you fought the wrong fight.

An example would be if you bought a new bottle of wine and were walking home with it.

The cops could not bother you, provided you had not taken out the cork, or unscrewed the top, because the bottle (sealed) is not open.

The same applies for beer.

You can buy "singles" of beer and carry them home without violating any law...but once you break the seal...THEN it has become a crime (another stupid one...but still on the books).

Either way though..it's yet another stupid law passed.
Drinking a beer in public does no harm...it's the idiot drunk who wanders into the street and gets hit by a car that causes a problem. But to "protect the public from themselves"...some idiot politician or dogooder has gotten a law passed to just make it illegal to have open liquor in public.

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119 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:19 pm

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I was stopped for walking in the campground with a dozen missing 5 bottles under my arm . Going from one place to another , had no open bottles . The 5 empties were missing from the case, and this is why they charged me .
Figured this was a easy one to win so Pleaded not Guilty fought it over 2 days which I took time off work, was told that as long as there was bottles missing it was open liquor . Still feel it is wrong but can,t afford to fight for ever this was 25 yrs ago .

120 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:35 pm

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we have a slippery situation in lingo here as they put bottles, vessels or other containers yet 53(3) says beer is not open if sealed. loophole maybe.

The Liquor Control Act States:

Sales in sealed bottles
53(1) All liquor sold by the commission, the operator of a specialty wine store or by the holder of a retail licence shall be contained in bottles, vessels, or other containers and, if so required in the regulations, the bottles, vessels, or other containers shall be enclosed in cartons or other packages, which bottles, vessels, containers, cartons, or other packages shall be closed, fastened, or sealed, as prescribed in the regulations; and any bottle, vessel, container, carton, or package, that is not so closed, fastened, or sealed shall, in any prosecution for infraction of a provision of this Act, be deemed, prima facie, to have been opened since it was purchased from the commission, from the operator of a specialty wine store or from the holder of a beer vendor's licence or a brewer's retail licence, as the case may be.

Where package to be opened 53(2) Subject as herein otherwise specifically provided, no such vessel shall be kept or opened elsewhere than in the residence of a person who may lawfully purchase and consume liquor under this Act, or in the premises designated in the purchaser's permit as the place where the package may lawfully be delivered.

BUT FOR BEER (In my Case)Seal on beer bottles says:

53(3) Beer shall be deemed to be sealed as required by subsection (1) if the bottle in which it is contained is crowned or capped with a crown on which is stamped or printed either the name of the manufacturer or brewer of the beer or a trade mark, trade name, or other distinguishing mark, design, or colour, by which the product manufactured is known or recognized.

121 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:40 pm

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Pavolo wrote:I was stopped for walking in the campground with a dozen missing 5 bottles under my arm . Going from one place to another , had no open bottles . The 5 empties were missing from the case, and this is why they charged me .
Figured this was a easy one to win so Pleaded not Guilty fought it over 2 days which I took time off work, was told that as long as there was bottles missing it was open liquor . Still feel it is wrong but can,t afford to fight for ever this was 25 yrs ago .

So it was Conservation or RCMP that stopped you?
Was it a "dry" location?
Private or Provincial campground?

Again, sounds like a poor fight...but 25 years ago? Maybe the rules were different then? Maybe the cop was on a BIG powertrip?

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122 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:47 pm

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Provincial, RCMP as conservation did not have that power back then might have been longer maybe 30 . The missing bottles were the issue so I was told at the time , Sorta forget too many beers since .

123 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:19 pm

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@ralphie, you know, I got to side with the cops on this one. Anyone who drinks Sleemans Cream Ale deserves to have it poured out

124 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:19 pm

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Freeman wrote:@ralphie, you know, I got to side with the cops on this one. Anyone who drinks Sleemans Cream Ale deserves to have it poured out

haha, what do you recommend I drink Freeman?

125 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:35 pm

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My choice is always free beer.

126 Re: Police take away only reason for ice fishing on Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:24 am

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Anybody remember Uncle Ben's Beer?

Even when free, it was undrinkable.

(sorry to interupt Smile)

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