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51 Re: Racism??? on Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:12 pm

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But that was really northern Manitoba in mid-March. Not a smart idea to be jaunting around in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night...

52 Re: Racism??? on Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:27 pm

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Hmmmm it looks like 7 PM and from what I hear, it's been rather warmer than usual up there (not balmy weather but I imagine I'd already be dressed for the weather).

53 Re: Racism??? on Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:33 pm

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One gal that got off was wearing only a sweater. Maybe the weather was tolerable at 7pm. Still not a smart idea. Spin away though...


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54 Re: Racism??? on Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:34 pm

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They were dropped off near Jenpeg about 45 KM away from Cross Lake.

Mod note: Map removed.

And the map of the entire trip:

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55 Re: Racism??? on Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:39 pm

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IMHO, it does not matter what decision the bus driver made.

If he did not go back, it is because of Racism. Didn't want to go back to pick up people left behind.

If he did not let them off the bus, it is because of Racism. Wont let us make our own decisions because we are native.

Let them off the bus because you don't want to hear the bitching, it is because of Racism. We know how this one is playing out.

The Chiefs saw an opportunity for media exposure and jumped all over it!


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56 Re: Racism??? on Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:43 pm

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I cannot help but keep thinking of the Awasis c**k-up in Shamattawa on New Year's Eve resulting in the death of an 11 yr old boy in their care. The chiefs did not speak up on that yet and all for something like this where no one was in jeopardy or dead they raise a ruckus.

Hmmmm.....could it be because Grey Hound is not First Nation's operated? One really has to wonder sometimes regarding the double standards that the grand poohbahs of the Anishnabe practice.


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57 Re: Racism??? on Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:45 pm

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I will restate my question again. For those who claim this has nothing to do with racism, why did the native chiefs go crying to the media about it? Would they have done so if all the passengers where white or of any other ethnicity? No, they wouldn't have obviously. If it wasn't racism, then what? My goodness, these chiefs cry wolf more often then djh bitches about zionism. It's just pathetic. No one cares what they have to say anymore.

58 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:10 am

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Hmmmm it seems we all agree that the bus driver made a mistake and attempted to correct it with another mistake which leaves the 'crying to the media' portion of the event.

Bringing awareness of substandard services felt by Aboriginals more than others is most likely on the chiefs agenda.

Concerns brought around changes to the entire police act in MB so there are people that obviously care.

I've heard many negative stories about Greyhound so I'd agree that this was just a dumb mistake requiring a policy about 'do not turn around near the end of a trip to pick up passengers that have missed their bus'.

59 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:02 am

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I didn't drive for Greyhound...but I have driven Transit buses (in NJ), and Motor Coaches.

If you have a passenger yelling they want off the bus...you let them off the bus...doesn't matter where they are.

The guy obviously had contact with his dispatch, or he wouldn't have been turning around anyway.

The real question is why he had to go back for two passengers who missed the bus?

Even when I drove motorcoaches, which aren't on a strict timetable...someone missed the pickup point, they had to find their own transit back home. For those two passengers, they should've been told they had to wait for the next bus...so the real mistake here was the dispatcher calling the driver back.

Not to mention, the driver has a limited number of hours available to drive per day. If he was 1.5 hours into a run, and turns around to make the 1.5 hour run back, then the 3 hour run back, and especially if he was supposed to continue on...he would have no hours left to get back home himself.

It's definitely not racist...but again...if I'm a driver and someone starts yelling that they want off the bus...they get off the bus. Then I radio dispatch to let them know where the people are...and let the company deal with the passengers.

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60 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:57 am

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death128 wrote:Hmmmm it seems we all agree that the bus driver made a mistake and attempted to correct it with another mistake which leaves the 'crying to the media' portion of the event.

Bringing awareness of substandard services felt by Aboriginals more than others is most likely on the chiefs agenda.

Concerns brought around changes to the entire police act in MB so there are people that obviously care.

I've heard many negative stories about Greyhound so I'd agree that this was just a dumb mistake requiring a policy about 'do not turn around near the end of a trip to pick up passengers that have missed their bus'.

IMHO the government should not be subsidizing private for profit companies.

I often wonder what these people did 300 years ago when they needed medical attention? Heck what did they do 100 years ago when they needed a doctor?

I wonder what would Canada be like if England had not gone soft on the Natives and French? Which leads me to another question. If most of the treaties were signed with representatives of England then why are we left holding the bag?


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61 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:15 pm

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Another thing to note. Not only would most bus drivers let people off anywhere simply by requesting they be let off. In Manitoba on these long distance routes they are actually required to let them off at unscheduled stops and doing so is nothing out of the norm.


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62 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:26 pm

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Why are we not charging these people with public indecency?

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/manitoba/2010/03/12/13214236.html
"saw up to 16 passengers get off"

and this was in public on the side of the road.. With children present!


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63 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:47 pm

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According to this article:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Riders outraged after Greyhound driver strands them roadside northern/2676707/story.html

It sounds like the driver actually forgot to stop in Wabowden on his way to Cross Lake (and was subsequently called by the dispath person after he was 1.5 hours away from Wabowden and ordered back). The temperature was around 0 degrees.

At least one of the people was travelling from Thompson to Cross Lake so their total trip is according to the map:



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64 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:51 pm

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I wonder if the rumour that I'm starting is true, in that the dispather told the driver to go back for, if they didn't, they'd be called racist for not picking up those two passengers. Wink

65 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:56 pm

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Not enough prestige for that. :p Headlines:

'Couple forgotten in Wabowden alternative transportation means not given for 3 hours'

66 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:22 pm

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LivingDead wrote:

I often wonder what these people did 300 years ago when they needed medical attention? Heck what did they do 100 years ago when they needed a doctor?

I wonder what would Canada be like if England had not gone soft on the Natives and French? Which leads me to another question. If most of the treaties were signed with representatives of England then why are we left holding the bag?

I wonder these things too... what if the American approach was taken?


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67 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:29 pm

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I guess I can ask the question here.

Why do the Natives get all bent out of shape?

I thought the lands were sold/traded to the English in exchange for some jewelry or something?
Were they really FORCED off the land like the Americans did to the Indians there?
Were there huge battles and threats? or did the Tribal Leaders of that era actually agree to a move/trade in exchange for something else?

I mean, from my American history lessons...look at where Manhattan is today (NYC)...that was "Tribal Land", but they traded the land for some trinkets or something...not alot of crying about it now.

So if it was traded (whether it's considered "fair" or not), then what's the crying?
That the elders were dumb?
Has the trade been broken somewhere?

I haven't studied the history here...but from what I've gathered from various sources...I don't understand why the problems.

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68 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:32 pm

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problem == some dumb ass white man told the Natives VERBALLY that as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow and yada yada yada.. That was not put into the treaties but it is being used by some to demand more then the original documents say.


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69 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:46 pm

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Deank wrote:problem == some dumb ass white man told the Natives VERBALLY that as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow and yada yada yada.. That was not put into the treaties but it is being used by some to demand more then the original documents say.

Back when these treaties were signed. that is about all that was here, grass and rivers. NO Cigaretts, no Alcohol, No Marijuana, No Meth, No Crack, No Winnipeg, NO Welfare, No doctors, No TV, NO Cars, No Snowmobiles, No Media.

So lets just give them a ticket to England, they can fly there and deal with the country who wrote the treaties. Has anyone noticed that the French did not enter into any treaties with the natives.

And while I'm at it, I was born in Canada, My parents were born in Canada, That makes me Native to this land. I was also born on Earth that makes me a native of Earth. Lets look back, way back. Where did the so called natives of Canada come from?

They crossed a land bridge from Asia and migrated here. My ancestors did the same thing.
So in all reality all people in what is present day Canada have come here from another continent. Natives included.

But what if they say, We were here first. well I can say that is BS. since several archaeological digs on the eastern shore turned up artifacts that can be traced back 5000 years before Asians crossed into North America. These artifacts belong to a race of stone tool using cave dwellers from France/Germany area of Europe.

So, from now on. I would like to be called First Nation of Earth, Native to Earth and North America. It is about time Italy started to pay me damages fro all the bad things the Roman Empire did to my people.


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70 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:38 pm

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LivingDead wrote:Has anyone noticed that the French did not enter into any treaties with the natives.

Yeah, it's just too bad Kingi and Queeni from the Island didn't do the same, otherwise we wouldn't have to deal with all these treaty issues today. People would be fending for themselves without our taxpaying money, as they should be.

71 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:41 pm

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LivingDead wrote:
Deank wrote:problem == some dumb ass white man told the Natives VERBALLY that as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow and yada yada yada.. That was not put into the treaties but it is being used by some to demand more then the original documents say.

Back when these treaties were signed. that is about all that was here, grass and rivers. NO Cigaretts, no Alcohol, No Marijuana, No Meth, No Crack, No Winnipeg, NO Welfare, No doctors, No TV, NO Cars, No Snowmobiles, No Media.

So lets just give them a ticket to England, they can fly there and deal with the country who wrote the treaties. Has anyone noticed that the French did not enter into any treaties with the natives.

And while I'm at it, I was born in Canada, My parents were born in Canada, That makes me Native to this land. I was also born on Earth that makes me a native of Earth. Lets look back, way back. Where did the so called natives of Canada come from?

They crossed a land bridge from Asia and migrated here. My ancestors did the same thing.
So in all reality all people in what is present day Canada have come here from another continent. Natives included.

But what if they say, We were here first. well I can say that is BS. since several archaeological digs on the eastern shore turned up artifacts that can be traced back 5000 years before Asians crossed into North America. These artifacts belong to a race of stone tool using cave dwellers from France/Germany area of Europe.

So, from now on. I would like to be called First Nation of Earth, Native to Earth and North America. It is about time Italy started to pay me damages fro all the bad things the Roman Empire did to my people.

Here, here! I think that each and every Canadian citizen should reap the same monetary benefits that aboriginals of the country have. We are all equal. We are all brothers. We are all Canadians.

Share the wealth, man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

72 Re: Racism??? on Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:59 pm

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Edwin you are on the right track but going the wrong direction.
We should all reap the same benefits as Aboriginals....?
No. We should all be equal. That means we all get nothing. It is their status that will change. Ours will remain the way it should be - serving a country that in turns serves it's people. You get back what you put in. It's called effort - not rights.

73 Re: Racism??? on Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:12 am

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Sorry, I forgot to put the in my post.

74 Re: Racism??? on Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:43 am

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we should force the USA to invade us and take as over as a protectorate.. all treaties become null and void.

then "win" our independence back 10-15 years later if we so desire


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75 Re: Racism??? on Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:01 am

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Jondo wrote:Edwin you are on the right track but going the wrong direction.
We should all reap the same benefits as Aboriginals....?
No. We should all be equal. That means we all get nothing. It is their status that will change. Ours will remain the way it should be - serving a country that in turns serves it's people. You get back what you put in. It's called effort - not rights.

Then why did you Europeans build them researves and not ones for your selfs , FOOL

76 Re: Racism??? on Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:03 am

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YOU Europeans? This useless dialog needs to end.

Please take note that more than 7-8 generations have passed since. Please, please, please stop pointing the finger of blame on today's generations.



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