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I do not blame any one more then any one else that is where you are wrong , I did not like PET either. But I tire of people putting every thing that is wrong with Canada at his feet , while their beloved party supported it .

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Just like someone blames all the ills of the world on our current PM.

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Deank wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:Exactly. No rights. They made a decision to relinquish their rights when they broke the law.

Supreme Court of Canada disagrees
Like I always say, you can agree with me or you can be wrong. The Supreme Court of Canada is wrong.

Right Pav?


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Pavolo wrote:I do not blame any one more then any one else that is where you are wrong , I did not like PET either. But I tire of people putting every thing that is wrong with Canada at his feet , while their beloved party supported it .
See. This is where I think you're going off track.

Not everybody is blaming everything on one person or one party. But ever-faithful to your contrarian way's you refuse to see that.


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Pavolo wrote:I do not blame any one more then any one else that is where you are wrong , I did not like PET either. But I tire of people putting every thing that is wrong with Canada at his feet , while their beloved party supported it .

To use your argument, he was in charge and he could have done something else.....

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And some could change it too. And for your info I do not think Harper is all that bad , just obsessed with himself and control .

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And maybe we can look at bridge tolls to pay for all of these expensive bridges .

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I would not mind seeing tolls on Bridges, especially some of the newer/upgraded suburban bridges if it were to help pay for infrastructure costs. The Chief Peguis Trail, Bishop Grandin, Moray/Charleswood, and the Perimeter Bridges could all be designated "toll" bridges.

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Tolls are a good idea.


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toban71 wrote:I would not mind seeing tolls on Bridges, especially some of the newer/upgraded suburban bridges if it were to help pay for infrastructure costs. The Chief Peguis Trail, Bishop Grandin, Moray/Charleswood, and the Perimeter Bridges could all be designated "toll" bridges.

I do not think there should be a toll on ANY of the current bridges or roads .
These bridges and roads have been paid for by the taxpayers already.

If you want to start charging for basic infrastructure like bridges, then there should be a referendum for the people who are most likely to use that infrastructure.

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A referendum is not necessary.


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Miz point wrote:A referendum is not necessary.

When someone starts charging me user fees for using something, I want a vote on whether I want that article bad enough to pay for it.

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How do you vote on such things today?


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We were not consulted vis a vis a referendum when we were told we had to start paying for eye exams.


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I agree with Outsider. There are enough trolls around here as it is. Last thing we need is to start paying for them.

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Yeah, trolls, bridges.....


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Miz point wrote:We were not consulted vis a vis a referendum when we were told we had to start paying for eye exams.

nor when we had physicals taken away.. or given back for men under 40. Nor when we had minor operations ( ie skin tag removal) taken away and given back.


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Outsider wrote:
toban71 wrote:I would not mind seeing tolls on Bridges, especially some of the newer/upgraded suburban bridges if it were to help pay for infrastructure costs. The Chief Peguis Trail, Bishop Grandin, Moray/Charleswood, and the Perimeter Bridges could all be designated "toll" bridges.

I do not think there should be a toll on ANY of the current bridges or roads .
These bridges and roads have been paid for by the taxpayers already.

If you want to start charging for basic infrastructure like bridges, then there should be a referendum for the people who are most likely to use that infrastructure.

Yes but tolls would pay them the bridges off quicker , so less interest paid .

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Pavolo wrote:
Outsider wrote:
toban71 wrote:I would not mind seeing tolls on Bridges, especially some of the newer/upgraded suburban bridges if it were to help pay for infrastructure costs. The Chief Peguis Trail, Bishop Grandin, Moray/Charleswood, and the Perimeter Bridges could all be designated "toll" bridges.

I do not think there should be a toll on ANY of the current bridges or roads .
These bridges and roads have been paid for by the taxpayers already.

If you want to start charging for basic infrastructure like bridges, then there should be a referendum for the people who are most likely to use that infrastructure.

Yes but tolls would pay them the bridges off quicker , so less interest paid .
Its a good idea until you have to pay the charge and I don't.
IMO a toll on a bridge or road is just another tax.

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or more to the point a toll bridge would go unused considering the fact that people would just go use another one. We live in Winnipeg people. There are at most 700K of us. This means we ARE NOT CROWDED. This means we ARE NOT THAT BIG. This means that we dont have the scale of economies that other places do that implement toll roads and bridges that turn out to be successful.


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What about surpirse toll booths which could be set up anywhere on a moments notice. Sort of like the photo radar vehicles which can be set up anywhere.

Got to be creative if you want to make money.

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Freeman wrote:What about surpirse toll booths which could be set up anywhere on a moments notice. Sort of like the photo radar vehicles which can be set up anywhere.

Got to be creative if you want to make money.

I would probably be moving.

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Deank wrote:or more to the point a toll bridge would go unused considering the fact that people would just go use another one. We live in Winnipeg people. There are at most 700K of us. This means we ARE NOT CROWDED. This means we ARE NOT THAT BIG. This means that we dont have the scale of economies that other places do that implement toll roads and bridges that turn out to be successful.
People tend to go the shortest route possible so at first they may dodge , but they will eventualy come back to it .

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No Pav...they won't.

Coming from the "toll-capital of the world"!!!!

The only people who commit to using the toll-routes are:
1) those who don't know any better...they google a route and it says "take this one"...which is a toll road
2) those who aren't paying for it (ie. they are being reimbursed or their company is footing the bill)
3) those who have no choice

If you look at NJ...there are 4 major routes heading North/South
NJ Turnpike
Garden State Parkway
Route 1
Route 130

Depending on where you're coming from, and where you're going...usually determines which one you would use.
Of the four...2 are tolls, 2 are not.
But, the 2 that are not, are all traffic lights and intersections.

Yet...Route 1 & Route 130 are still 2 of the highest traveled roads in the state...because given the option, the locals will choose not to pay a toll.

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There are only so many bridges in Wpg and to go around is usualy a long way out of the way.

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and there's a difference between user fees and tolls.

tolls are a useless burden on society, which raise tension, costs, pollution, road rage, travel delays, and very little money for all the hassle.

More money will be collected JUST to pay for the collection service, than for what the toll is implemented for in the first place.

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