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76 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:33 pm

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Better yet, why doesn't the fcuken Bomber Board get off their collective arses and form a committee to hire a manager, or whatever, that could oversee the building of the retail crap needed to sustain the Bombers forever. Simple.

Don't these Board memebers have a brain?

77 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:40 pm

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JTF wrote:Better yet, why doesn't the fcuken Bomber Board get off their collective arses and form a committee to hire a manager, or whatever, that could oversee the building of the retail crap needed to sustain the Bombers forever. Simple.

Don't these Board memebers have a brain?

They don't even know how to put together a winning football team!


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78 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:42 pm

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And please don't call me a pessimist or that r-word! I still bleed blue and gold!


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79 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:06 pm

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JTF wrote:Better yet, why doesn't the fcuken Bomber Board get off their collective arses and form a committee to hire a manager, or whatever, that could oversee the building of the retail crap needed to sustain the Bombers forever. Simple.

Don't these Board memebers have a brain?
No. They don't. Ya just gotta see who these jokers and their peons have hired previously. Their track record is abysmal.


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80 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:37 pm

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There is a negative thread , I agree the deal needs to be done and Asper should be out as he has not lived up to his part of it .

81 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:11 pm

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Here's something else that should be looked at...More "retail space/stores" at Polo Park to do what?...Compete with the new IKEA store down route 90?...Unbelievable already...GGF

82 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:22 pm

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You really believe the new Polo Park development will be competing with the Ikea store? Besides, what do you care? If the market will bear it more power to them.


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83 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:38 pm

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David wants the opposite crowd to Ikea , it is a matter of income .

84 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:54 pm

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I feel this bares repeating:

There are MANY things changing in Winnipeg, for the better. But sadly, one thing never seems to change; the Winnipeg negative mentality. It just breaks my heart because this will be one of the main reasons why we can't progress the way we should, breaking my heart yet again.

85 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:12 am

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do you have con artists draining the public purse like the aspers in edmonton? and if so how do you guys there plan to deal with them?

86 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:56 am

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The Black Rod blog is beating up the NDP again, over the new stadium deal.

Wednesday, March 31, 2010
Selinger's new stadium, big enough to hold the ballooning provincial deficit.

There. That didn't take long, did it?

One week after the provincial budget, unelected Premier Greg Selinger has already overspent the projected deficit by $90 million.

The province will borrow the money to lend to to a millionaire so he can achieve his lifelong dream of owning a football team.
Who says this isn't a province of opportunity---for the rich and connected like Winnipeg's First Family of Millionaire Moochers, the Aspers.

As predicted here last October
http://blackrod.blogspot.com/2009/10/winnipegs-first-family-of-millionaire.html
baby brother David's big ideas to raise money to buy the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and build a new football stadium have gone nowhere.
So he went running to where all millionaire moochers go, to the government.

Sister Gail's sugar daddy was former premier Gary Doer who funnelled tens of millions of dollars of provincial tax money to her human rights museum. David now has his own sugar daddy in new-but-unelected premier Greg Selinger, the dirtiest politician in Manitoba, the man who propped up the Crocus Fund after it became a Ponzi scheme and who covered up the NDP's 1999 election fraud, after insisting on a letter exonerating himself from blame.

With the dust of the collapse of the Canwest media empire still in his ears, David Asper still fancies himself a captain of industry. Unfortunately, it appears, no bank will lend him a dime despite his collateral, three u-hauls full of Canwest stock.
Enter Selinger to save the day.

Greg Selinger announced this morning he will lend Asper $90 million to build a new stadium for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers at the University of Manitoba. Asper is expected to come up with $10 million (Bwahahaha...ed.). Somebody else (the team?) will come up with another $15 million.

But Selinger is a poor loan shark. Asper will have six years to pay back the money (plus interest at going rates, we hope) or else he's lost his chance to own the team. He still plans to raise the money by developing a high end shopping mall at the site of the current football stadium near Polo Park.

If Asper fails (if, he says...ed) the province has a fallback, Selinger claimed. You see, he said, the province will consider the loan as an advance under the new Tax Increment Financing Act. If Asper fails (if, he says...ed) the taxes that will be collected on any development at the old stadium site will be used to cover the cost of the loan.

Uh....not so fast.

You see, the law is actually called The Community Revitalization Tax Increment Financing Act. Here's how then-Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Steve Ashton described the law when it was introduced in 2008:

"Under the new bill, properties or areas would be designated as development or revitalization zones and would then become eligible for TIF. This would mean that incremental property tax increases in the zone would be placed into a separate fund for time-limited period to pay for infrastructure and other economic supports in the zone. Once the zone is redeveloped, and the TIF zone is lifted the expanded tax base returns to the municipality, the province and the school division."

Since when is a football stadium in Fort Garry "in the zone" of Polo Park?
Legally, then, money raised from any development at Polo Park cannot be taken out of that "separate fund" and spent across town, can it?

Selinger is going to have to change the law to let him get away with using TIF money to backstop David Asper, just like he having to change the balanced budget law to let him overspend year after year after year after year.

The TIF Act was intended to "revitalize" neighbourhoods. Is there anyone who believes Polo Park needs "revitalization"? Or is the University of Manitoba so poor and decrepit it qualifies? This is a blatant misuse of the legislation to revitalize the NDP in vote-rich south Winnipeg.

And $90 million is just the start.
Who's going to cover cost overruns? Yeah, that's who.

And who's that in line? Oh yeah, that's who. Hello Gail.

Yep, the rest of the first family of millionaire moochers is lining up to put the touch on the Manitoba taxpayer.

Remember, the Canadian Museum for Human Rights has a plan to come up with the $9 million in city taxes they "forgot" to budget for: get the money from the provincial government. Sadly, for Gail, her boyfriend Gary Doer is gone to Washington. But Selinger is playing Santa with the provincial treasury.
Shall we start a pool for the day he announces he's bailing Gail out of her problem? When's that election, again?

And speaking of the museum .... A sharp-eyed reader noticed that the backers of the museum claim they've raised anther $5 million towards their $45 million cost overrun. Ahh, remember the good ol' days when they held news conferences and exchanged grins while holding up huge mock donation cheques? Nowadays the donations seem to be thin envelopes passed in back alleys.

Gail Asper has turned into the 21st Century equivalent of television evangelists, begging for donations in weekly installments. Even worse is the pathetic piggybacking on the causes of others.

The Panache International Model & Talent Search will be held April 17 at Portage Place. Registration fees this year will be donated to the Canadian Museum for Human Rights. Oww.

And remember the performance by comedienne Joan Rivers at The Live This Life Expo at the Fort Garry Hotel which so disgusted Free Press columnist Lindor Reynolds? How many of you read the small print?
" Tickets to the gala, which includes a "diamond champagne dinner" are $175 each ($1,750 per table) with net proceeds to the Canadian Museum for Human Rights."

Unfortunately, Joan Rivers doesn't come cheap. Comedianbookings.com says her fee ranges from $100,000 and up, so "net proceeds" might have been paltry. How's a millionaire going to fund her pet project at that rate?

Oh yeah... Greg Selinger is the premier and he's writing cheques as fast as his scandal-stained hands can.

http://blackrod.blogspot.com/2010/03/selingers-new-stadium-big-enough-to.html


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87 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:00 am

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djh wrote:do you have con artists draining the public purse like the aspers in edmonton? and if so how do you guys there plan to deal with them?

Did peter P do jail time?


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88 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:59 am

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Well kinda'....they made him stay in Admontun. Smile

89 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:35 am

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This is a great deal for Winnipeg, because it gets a lot of jobs going building the stadium, and furthermore all the jobs have to come from the University students to help them pay for their student loans, during their spare time.
The $90,000,000 loan is completely secure, as it is given on the premise that Creswin Properties have to rent out only 65% of the proposed development of the Elms 650,000 square foot upscale small store high-end mall, where the current stadium is.
Winnipeg is a natural for this type of development, as all former "high end" dress stores, and furniture stores have failed, because the 3% market that will spend money don't spend enough to keep many stores in business.
I am sure that the 7 "upscale" dress shops on Corydon and Academy road, currently paying about $15 square foot, will flock to tis development so they can be charged $35? sq ft.??? lol
I would seriously look at moving from my $5 foot space to "The Elms", provided that I only have to pay one month in 8.


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90 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:50 am

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....but but but Rosie...hasn't Gucci been waiting for the 'economy to turn around' beofre opening a store in Winnipeg? I'm shocked.

91 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:02 pm

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At least the building will be built- that is a good thing, because the alternate was to spend multi millions to do some needed repairs to the old building. Good for the NDP- they will have more jobs and the 25,000 Bomber supporters will get a much needed new stadium, and the University will have a great new attraction for the 75 University supporters who regularly attend football games.


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92 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:10 pm

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The mall also can be converted into rooms to hold all the students that will be flown into town to vist our museum. Wink

93 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:11 pm

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djh wrote:do you have con artists draining the public purse like the aspers in edmonton? and if so how do you guys there plan to deal with them?

I lived in Edmonton for 1/2 a year. Things are run much more efificiently, except for some odd reason, the snow clearing is not as good, as the city only clears the major roads. If the Aspers pulled the same crap they are doing in Winnnipeg, they would have been ignored, or told to come up with the money themselves. It's the Alberta way.
I have a feeling you would really like Alberta.

94 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:05 pm

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Every province has it malcontents and its Aspers, cept they probably do not call them con artist's, borders on liable.

95 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:32 pm

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they are con artists, in my opinion. if they cant sue me they will just label me an antisemite. in todays world even worse.

96 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:47 pm

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Asper, Katz, and Selinger have everyone snowed.

We are fools to allow this stadium deal to go through, and we are fools for not balking at Selinger's Budget.

Throw these clowns out of Manitoba.

97 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:21 pm

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notice how the plans INSIST on this being started before this years civic election.

also notice in today's paper how many of the councillors ( not just the usual negative nannies ) are questioning this deal getting approved without council?


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98 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:01 pm

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It should have been put to the public It is wrong and stinks but Sam got it thru for his bud . Amazing what common thoughts share .

99 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:30 pm

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How do we put such things to the public?

I've heard that argument before. Unless and until we start using plebiscites how can one be sure the public is really behind or against any one initiative?


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100 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:37 am

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That is the toughy I admit but we should have been given the chance , as this deal went down in the Mayors office again and we will be shafted . David was not given the reins to Daddy's business for a reason .

Thanks to a bought Mayor he has gotten one of the biggest peices of Wpg real estate for a song and no one bid against him .

101 Re: New stadium deal underway??? on Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:57 am

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Here's the latest news on the stadium deal...

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/show-us-the-fine-print-90460254.html

Unbelievable how they are "All" getting away with this nonsense...

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