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Has the NHL Priced itself out of Winnipeg's Market?

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grumpy old man wrote:This is significant as it demonstrates Winnipeg will support big money events, in droves, despite having to pay their mortgages. It also indicates Winnipeggers are attracted to events in the arena.
In 2008, the MTS Centre sold 385,427 tickets. These ticket sales included only non-sporting events and did not include hockey games. With the tickets sales the MTS Centre placed as the 19th busiest arena in the world. The arena sat as 11th busiest among facilities in North America, its highest ranking ever, and it remained in the 3rd spot in Canada, after the Bell Centre in Montreal (sixth worldwide) and the Air Canada Centre in Toronto (fifth worldwide).[5] For the year of 2009 it ranked as the 39th busiest arena in the world, and 26th busiest in North America.[6]
And your point is what that people will spend for the NHL where were they last time . Not at the game in enough numbers to work the finances . Yes concessions were a sore point but so was fanny's in the seats . Told to me by Mr Shenkarow himself , the salaries were going thru the roof , and if and with his agreement with Enterprises . It was not profitable to stay. Why do you think no one stepped up to buy them as it was tried .
The situation has changed I hope all are right but if the people do not go and sit at home to watch on TV then it will not work . Also remember there will be less dates for big concerts , working around schedules .

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No one is questioning what happened in the 80's and 90's. I mean, that is 30 years ago. We didn't have a team in the 50's either.

My entire point is that was then and this is now. Things have changed. The economy is improved. The population has grown by what 75,000? We are not watching games in the worst arena ever (only slightly exaggerated).


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Here is a challenge for those who simply cannot think a positive thought...

Find just ONE reason why the NHL can work in Winnipeg. Just one...


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I for one would love them back and yes I was a fan and sat on the edge of the seat praying for Dale to get up some nights . After some goon crosschecked him , but the reality is there are less money people around now then there were then . The deal could work but it is up to us not the owners . Fanny's in the seats drinking over priced beer and popcorn .

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Pavolo wrote:...but the reality is there are less money people around now then there
were then...
You knew this was not going to go unchallenged didn't you?

How in the name of God do you come up with these nuggets? How can you possibly convince anyone of this?


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Pavolo wrote: After some goon crosschecked him , but the reality is there are less money people around now then there were then . .
Oh please Pav, explain to me how you believe your statement is true. I need a good laugh right about now.

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After years of enduring a disastrous NDP regime, it would not be unexpected that businesses have closed and moved to more business-friendly provinces, thus leaving MB with significantly less wealth-generation. We must be a poorer province.

Over the years, we've also noted that many of our best and brightest young people left socialist MB for greener pastures.

The effect of having a tax and spend NDP government is surely fewer money people, not more. I have no facts but just ask around. Surely, the NDP have driven entrepreneurs out of here.


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the ndp is interested in two things. 1. security for themselves and their lazy ass cronies. 2. total control over the lives of their subjects, the people of manitoba. their idea of an entrepreneuer is the likes of david and gail asper. their true colors shine through in the example of how they treated a real entrepreneuer like john buhler.

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Pavolo wrote:...but the reality is there are less money people around now then there
were then...
You knew this was not going to go unchallenged didn't you?

How in the name of God do you come up with these nuggets? How can you possibly convince anyone of this?

Tell me 5 that would invest or were going to when they left , then tell me how many of those are in this deal . Then tell me Iam wrong . You will notice the biggest investor doe's not live here maybe you need to study the deal .
The Richardson's have made it clear on numerous occasions they do not want to. The Aspers are out . Buhler is not even in the league Randy will not as he is too smart to , and there are not enough multi ones left to do it .
Also limited partnerships mostly are a recipe for disaster, as egos like yours get in the way . I talk multi not a couple of mill in the bank suggest you boys do some homework as Trin said many have left this dear province .

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So, the context of this thread was "Winnipeggers being in a better position to support an NHL team".

In that context I took your almost intelligible post of: "but the reality is there are less money people around now then there were then . The deal could work but it is up to us not the owners . Fanny's in the seats drinking over priced beer and popcorn ." to mean there are less average Winnipeggers around now to buy tickets.

I'm afraid I did not take the leap to money-men that would invest in the team. I suppose another reason I did not go there was because the most consistent NHL-to-Winnipeg rumours came c/w one of the wealthiest people on the planet and the owner of the arena.

See, if you could just articulate your thoughts a little better it would be infinitely easier to understand what you are trying to convey. That's all I'm sayin'.

Sorry. My bad.


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And Taxpayers saved the day for another group of Millionaires.

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Pavolo wrote:And Taxpayers saved the day for another group of Millionaires.
Huh?


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grumpy old man wrote:
Pavolo wrote:And Taxpayers saved the day for another group of Millionaires.
Huh?
I think he is talking about the Glendale taxpayers.

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Yuppers caught you napping again did we grump

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Sorry guys. But I guess our economy still has not fully recovered.
Even the big boys and girls are having to make hard decisions.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/helping-children-get-into-the-game-country-clubs--slashing-rates-90594904.html

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Heh heh. Yeah, you're right. The Manitoba economy tanked and won't recover and this story about country club memberships proves it.

Let's ignore the real measures such as growth factors and employment rates and what the economists say.

Or were you making a funny?


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grumpy old man wrote:Heh heh. Yeah, you're right. The Manitoba economy tanked and won't recover and this story about country club memberships proves it.

Let's ignore the real measures such as growth factors and employment rates and what the economists say.

Or were you making a funny?

Sorry, I don't joke about peoples money problems.

There may be more employed but it appears to be a lot of part time jobs.
Part time can be full-time part time with 35 hours a week or less than 20 hours a week.
And its hard to get shelter and eat on 20 hours a week if you are trying to live on your own. You you have to actually at what is behind the numbers.
And it seems we may still be losing full time jobs.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Unemployment-in-province--90354984.html

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Holy sh1t, you really are chicken little. Your link showed there was an improvement in the employment level in Manitoba.

Yet you ignore the fact that Manitoba has the second best employment levels in Canada. And to top it off you claim country club memberships are an economic barometer that things are not well...

Seriously dude, what makes you tick?


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grumpy old man wrote:Holy sh1t, you really are chicken little. Your link showed there was an improvement in the employment level in Manitoba.

Yet you ignore the fact that Manitoba has the second best employment levels in Canada. And to top it off you claim country club memberships are an economic barometer that things are not well...

Seriously dude, what makes you tick?

This is supposed to be a thread about the possibility of the NHL making it in Winnipeg.
I am sorry I just don't read the head lines like "unemployment has gone down" and think everything is getting better in the world.
When the story says the new jobs are part time and by the way we lost almost as many full time jobs as the jobs we gained, then maybe we did not gain that much.
(Please read the last couple of paragraphs in the linked story.)

And aren't we counting on the country club group to buy those $200 tickets at rink side to make up for the $40 tickets in the nosebleed sections?

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"I am sorry I just don't read the head lines like "unemployment has gone down" and think everything is getting better in the world."

You are kidding right? It is a single solitary report, that is positive to boot. Yet your default is it's a negative. I don't get your logic.

As for the country club peeps, look under the hood. Is it aging golfers that are dropping the sport? Is it peeps finding something else to spend their money on? So maybe a few dozen country club memberships are off. Didn't you also fret of increased house purchases?

Okay, I'll play your game. How be I counter your golf club deficit with increased automobile purchases. Or will you think that is a negative also?

Look into the big picture.Quit looking under every rock for bogeymen. Try defaulting to the bright side for a change. You'll certainly be happier.


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Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps younger generations aren't interested in being a part of a stuff golf club?

Most guys my age like a prefer a casual course atmosphere even if they have the money for a country club membership.

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grumpy old man wrote:

Okay, I'll play your game. How be I counter your golf club deficit with increased automobile purchases. Or will you think that is a negative also?


Ah, that's just because more people are resorting to becoming taxi drivers.... Wink


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sputnik wrote:Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps younger generations aren't interested in being a part of a stuff golf club?

Most guys my age like a prefer a casual course atmosphere even if they have the money for a country club membership.

no no.. its because all of the rich guys also have houses in Pheonix and are members of all the clubs there.


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Outsider- I don't remember if I was being facetious, probably was. When the Jets were here the payroll was about $16 million U.S., and Shenkerow saw that it was heading for $30, and with no profit from the food, the parking the hookers, there was no way that the company would be able to manage.
There was an agreement in place that any Manitoba entity could buy the franchise for either 50 or 55 million. He had a $75 million deal with some Americans, I believe!
That was what got the save "The Jets" campaign under way.
Our scared Conservative government couldn't see the benefit of spending $50 million to keep a $30 million dollar business going here.
I don't know all the numbers, but if the Province would have spent $50 million for the franchise perhaps a local group could have managed on the cash flow with 13,000 per game spending $50 per game?? 40 games makes it $26 million and then there would be the extra income from the company seats.
The new arena probably would have been larger, but with a $90,000,000 running costs, who would have the $100 per ticket?
I bet you in Calgary the tickets aren't $100? Any one know?


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Last one leaving Winnipeg, please shut the lights! lol

So many loserpegs, down and outers, cannot be, way too much traffic on my street, --lol


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