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1 nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:57 am

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2 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:08 am

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I think MizP is Nellie McClung in her 2nd life! lol


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3 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:11 am

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so definitely evil then?


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4 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:41 am

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I resemble that remark!!


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5 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:48 am

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David Matas is being really icky-picky but I suppose that trait goes with the territory of his discipline. So keeping that in mind let's tear down all the statues because those represented could not possibly live up to Matas's lofty, politically-correct standards.


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6 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:22 pm

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So stupid a thought- "Women are human"


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7 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:29 pm

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because now we know they should only stay in the kitchen right?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/pilot-mounds-new-arena-built-by-pride-91892794.html

"They hired a skilled bricklayer, then had up to a dozen volunteers for the skilled tradesman to train and supervise, a group that included farmers, teachers, insurance agents, pipeline workers, truck drivers, etc. That's how they got it done.
Women in town baked and made sandwiches for the lunches and coffee break"


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8 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:02 pm

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Baking is a laudable and necessary skill/trade.....no one's contribution to any endeavour that is volunteer in nature should be diminished because of archaic gender roles, age, disability what have you.....volunteerism is volunteerism and when we start to put one's labours above another's? I dunno, sorta wrecks the spirit of volunteerism.


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9 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:04 pm

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I totally agree Miz P. But the article is written almost as if thats all they would allow the women folk to do.


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10 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:46 pm

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I did not get that from the article....lots of gender neutral language regarding those "people" who were doing the brick work but yeah when it came to the food prep that was all women's contributions according to the article.


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11 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:05 am

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Things have never been the same since women got the vote

It is sorta funny the ways we used to think is it not , but David is wrong on this one she desearves her spot in our history.

12 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:02 pm

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It's kind of ironic when you consider there is still talk of sterilizing certain women under certain conditions...


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13 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:51 pm

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....and is the argument still not valid?

Should a cronic alcoholic woman that keeps popping out FASD babies be sterilized?

14 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:11 pm

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The argument is most certainly valid.

Wimmin popping out babies like a Pez dispenser and drinking yourself stupid every night while being incapable of holding down a job ought to be sterilized. At least chemically.

You know. Like they chemically castrate evil min that rape and abuse.


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15 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:00 pm

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JTF wrote:....and is the argument still not valid?

Should a cronic alcoholic woman that keeps popping out FASD babies be sterilized?

I hate to say it but YES....a child who is FASD will incur costs of near two million dollars by the time they are 18....I worked on a FASD study (I took the shots and edited the report) so that figure is spot on. Probably more now as that study was done about ten years ago.

The one woman who viciously assaulted me back in 1992 got off easy because she was visibly preggo with number six.....her first five were all FASD and had been taken away from her.....if that is not compelling reason enough to at least look deeper into this issue then I dunno....some folks say it is our "god given" right to reproduce but what about the rest of us who do not want to be the victims of future crimes most likely committed by these damaged children? And is it fair to these children to be born this way?

Lots of philosophical issues at play here....


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16 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:51 am

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JTF wrote:....and is the argument still not valid?

Should a cronic alcoholic woman that keeps popping out FASD babies be sterilized?

Canada's top commie Tommy Douglas would have said YES.


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17 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:03 am

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Lots of philosophical issues at play here....

Never mind legal and moral , What report was this you speak of , I have most of them here and would be interested to know .

18 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:00 am

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I doubt you would have this one as it was done for a private foundation not in this country. You must have a big study dude because there have been thousands of reports done and we worked on this one the acronym was FAS/FAE. That definitely establishes the timeline in the 90's.


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19 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:33 am

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Pavolo wrote:Lots of philosophical issues at play here....

Never mind legal and moral , What report was this you speak of , I have most of them here and would be interested to know .

WHen you speka of morals, the first question is always: whose morals?

Was the Charter of Rights not created to provide a safe and healthy society? If so, is it not in the best interest of society as a whole to tkae action to reduce the incident of FAS births?

20 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:09 am

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No it was not created for that reason it was created to guarantee yours and my freedoms and rights in Canadian society . One of which is the right to a safe environment free of persecution .

And Miz I probably do as I have worked with in and around these children for the better part of 32 yrs , before most of society knew the problem had a name .

21 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:08 am

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Pavolo wrote:No it was not created for that reason it was created to guarantee yours and my freedoms and rights in Canadian society . One of which is the right to a safe environment free of persecution .

Glad to see that you agree with me. So, by these women popping out FAS kids who will grow up and threaten my safety, the Charter protects my rights by allowing government to take action to prevent this from happening.

22 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:16 am

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Pavolo wrote....
"And Miz I probably do as I have worked with in and around these
children for the better part of 32 yrs , before most of society knew
the problem had a name ."


No Pav, I doubt you do.....it was a PRIVATELY commissioned report, not for distribution here. Whatever. Since pav you seem to be an "expert" on this issue could you please tell us your stance regarding forced sterilization or alternatives? Surely in 32 years of dealing with this sad and very preventable condition you must have arrived at some sort of action plan? Opinion? We all know already how controversial certain stances are, what is your stance?


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23 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:21 am

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forced sterilization be damned.

offer them a $100K one time payment to undergo sterilization.

no morals required.


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24 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:40 am

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Interesting....the one hundred grande is a drop in the bucket compared to what their dysfunctional offspring cost in the long run. Someone though would cry "genocide".


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25 Re: nellie mclung was evil? on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:55 am

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nope.

We offer to everyone of every race who has a proven history to have unprotected sex and drinks/does drugs whilst preggers.

then its only genocide if one group decides to keep doing it.


Then again I can seriously see some people who would drink and do drugs and such on purpose whilst preggers to get the 100K and that is sad


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