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1 BITSA bill debate on Fri May 28, 2010 11:32 am

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Leg hansard.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/legislature/hansard/4th-39th/hansardpdf/51.pdf


for a good read scroll down to where mr Rick Borotsik is speaking (about page 18)


Its a long long read.

short of it. Opposition talks for a long time against the budget shenanigans the NDP are pulling. Calls them out on a number of issues.

and not one single NDP stands up and refutes them.. instead it just goes to vote and the NDP with Majority win.


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2 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 9:21 am

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Borotsik may be my new hero...
So, effectively, what they're saying is they don't have to balance the budget anymore, but why don't they just come clean? Why don't they stand in their place and say, quite emphatically to Manitobans, rather than put it into this bill and hide it, why don't they stand up and say, we no longer believe in balanced budgets?

They ran on it in 1999. The then-Premier Gary Doer said, oh, no, no, no, no, this is a really good policy of the Conservative government and we're going to carry on with that policy on balanced budgets. That's what Manitobans want. That's what Canadians want so we're going to carry on. They ran on it, actually, in 2007. I was there. I ran in that election and, in 2007, the then-Premier Gary Doer said, we're not going to change anything. We're still going to maintain balanced budgets.


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3 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 9:24 am

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Yup. He is...
But in the original balanced budget legislation they said if the ministers aren't efficient enough and if they aren't managing their departments properly and they should lose money or not balance the budget for a two-year period, the first year, they'd lose 20 percent of their ministerial salaries. If it happened two years in a row, they'd lose 40 percent of their ministerial salaries. Now, we know, we know that rather than worry about Manitobans and their own financial issues, ministers of the Crown were very, very concerned now when it hit their own pocketbooks. They don't mind spending money foolishly if it's not theirs. If it's taxpayers' money, it's okay. We'll spend it. We can waste it. We can waste it on a west-side line. We can waste it on enhanced ID. We can waste it on advertising. We can waste that–[interjection]

It doesn't matter. It doesn't affect them. But, when it starts to affect the ministers and 40 percent of their salary, well, guess what, Mr. Speaker? We have to change the rules again. If we don't have enough in there right now to manipulate it, then let's change it again. Well, they changed it again and it's right here in this piece of legislation. The wrong place, it should be in the balanced budget legislation. But, no, let's hide it so Manitobans don't know what the real motive is for the BITSA. And the real motive for the BITSA is save our salaries. Don't take 40 percent of the ministerial salaries.


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4 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 9:36 am

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Great catch Deank.

That read shows us that the resident government can't stand the heat. They won't defend themselves because they can't. We MUST remember this when the next election comes around.


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5 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 10:40 am

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Remember sh1t...people here are stupid and will continue to vote for these fcuken commie bastards.

6 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 11:28 am

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Wonder if they were to cut your income JTF what your view be , for that fact mine . Easy to criticise when it is not your paycheque

7 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 12:16 pm

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Pav... thats a ridiculous argument.

Fact is the LAW stated that they would have a cut in income.
Fact is at a 40% loss of revenue the cabinet ministers would still be making more then most Manitobans.
Fact is these next few years of budgets will FUCKOVER manitobans for the next 50 years.
Fact is they wont even defend their actions.


GOM.. dont thank me.. thank Kevin Lameroux for pointing it out to me Smile


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8 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 3:53 pm

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Pavolo wrote:Wonder if they were to cut your income JTF what your view be , for that fact mine . Easy to criticise when it is not your paycheque

They are changing the rules in the middle of the game Pav.

They shouldn't have run for the Leg if they didn't like pay rules.

9 Re: BITSA bill debate on Sun May 30, 2010 10:46 pm

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Nor should people want to be paid the same as someone else in another town in a perfect world . And so what it is a LAW have not they been broken before for someone 's convenience or reason of said. Fact is if you really believed they would roll their own wage back then you are or were niave.

10 Re: BITSA bill debate on Mon May 31, 2010 12:40 am

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I really dont understand that arguement at all Pav, you are saying its okay to break the law because laws have been broken before by other people in other areas.


Thats about as logical as me telling my wife its okay for me to do cocaine off a hookers ass because someone else did it before somewhere else at some other time.


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11 Re: BITSA bill debate on Mon May 31, 2010 7:50 am

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And so what it is a LAW have not they been broken before for someone 's convenience or reason of said.
Huh? My pavlov-to-English translator is not working.


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12 Re: BITSA bill debate on Mon May 31, 2010 11:03 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
And so what it is a LAW have not they been broken before for someone 's convenience or reason of said.
Huh? My pavlov-to-English translator is not working.

Matter of convenience simple enough for you now Grumpy . The world is not black and white as most of you wish . Get over it or run to change it bitching on here doe's dick. And where did I say it was okay .

13 Re: BITSA bill debate on Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:06 am

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Pavolo wrote:[...simple enough for you now Grumpy...
Well geeze it might be easier to understand if ya tried using some simple punctuation marks. Why get all pissy at me for not understanding YOUR writing?


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14 Re: BITSA bill debate on Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:08 am

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Pavolo wrote:Get over it or run to change it bitching on here doe's dick.
This is a two way street pavlov. We b1tch with cause. You b1tch about our bitchin'. Which is worse?

Pavolo wrote:...bitching on here doe's dick...
This is a forum fer Christ's sake. That is what people on a forum do. Why do you take so much satisfaction is being so contrary?

Pavolo wrote:And where did I say it was okay .
It is implicit in everything you post.


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15 Re: BITSA bill debate on Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:27 pm

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"doe's dick"??? But if it was a doe, it wouldn't have a dick.

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