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the total cost the line is 2.2 billion.

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1 the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:47 am

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Hydro-picks--its-west-side-route-99550499.html


HOLY FUU CKUCK

they are not even saying West side of Lake Winnipeg.

They are saying WEST SIDE OF LAKE MANITOBA


motherfricenhell..


So basically they are starting way in the North East corner of the province where the dams are... then Going all the way across the province towards The Pas, down the lake and then all the way Easy back across the province again.


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2 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:50 am

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this map here gives a much better idea of the waste

http://www.hydro.mb.ca/projects/bipoleIII/MediaMapBW_NewPreferredRouteMod7_MBHydro_20100708.pdf


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3 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:55 am

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ooo

even better map

http://www.hydro.mb.ca/projects/bipoleIII/route_map_full.pdf


that maps actually also has most of the reserves in Manitoba in pink.


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4 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:00 pm

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Excuse me if I'm ignorant on the subject, by why exactly can't they run the lines down the East side of Lake Winnipeg? We're talking about a clearing a swath of land maybe 100m wide, is this really that huge a deal? Seriously, how much harm can that possible do? Will the deer and bears refuse to cross the field under the hydro line to get to the other side? It's not like we're erecting some sort of barrier wall. I just don't get what the problem is. Having the lines cross across the entire province instead of going in a straight line south seems like the most dumbass idea ever.

5 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:03 pm

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Holy Frick!

I got a mailing from my NDP MLA two days ago - apparently there will be no cost to taxpayers for the west line.

Costs will be amortized over 40 years and offset against additional revenue generated from additional electricity that is sold as a result of this line.

Really? Show me the signed contracts/Letters of Intent/ etc. with US States

Oh right, they don't have any.

http://bgilchrist.wordpress.com/

6 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:15 pm

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"against additional revenue generated"

uhh... when you take away revenue from a crown corporation that COSTS taxpayers money through lost income.

duh.


do they really have that lax of a grasp on how income is leveraged against expenses?


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7 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:19 pm

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Well, it would be incremental revenue, so it's not really a loss when compared to current revenue levels.

http://bgilchrist.wordpress.com/

8 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:22 pm

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Smoke and mirrors.

If we amortize the cost over a bazillion years it'll still cost too fricking much money. Build it down the side of the province that'll cost $500,000,000 LESS than this GD debacle.

Come on Manitoba, we gotta vote these clowns out of office!


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9 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:25 pm

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oh its a loss all right, because by building it the other route, not only would we save more money from building it shorter, there would be less electricity loss.

Is it a "loss" compared to today... no
Is it a loss compared to what it could be? yes


If you had ten apples.. would you rather throw 3 away and sell them for 50 cents a piece and then pay 10 cents per apple to the bank?

or would you rather sell all 10 and pay 5 cents per apple to the bank?



Even worse.... Hydro has in the past and will in the future. Had to buy Electricity on the open market to meet its contractual demands. How smart of and idea is it to build something that might screw us over?


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10 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:31 pm

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Oh I don't disagree. It will cost more than building it on the east side, that's for sure.

And what happens when US states don't buy enough additional electricity to cover the costs?

http://bgilchrist.wordpress.com/

11 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:37 pm

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I think the bigger problem is, what happens when the states that we have already signed contracts with for delivery starting in 2015, 2018 and 2020 dont get the power they ordered?

http://hydro.mb.ca/corporate/electricity_exports/xcel_minneapolis.shtml

http://hydro.mb.ca/corporate/electricity_exports/wisconsin.shtml

http://hydro.mb.ca/corporate/electricity_exports/minnesota.shtml


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12 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:39 pm

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not only are we contractually required to push this through as fast as possible now.... we are going to run into some pretty severe energy restrictions here in MB as our own usage ramps up with the switch to more things like electric cars. our rates are going to shoot up significantly and our production capacity is going to get lower as more and more dams are shut down due to aging. the typical Manitoban is going to be screwed.


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13 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:34 pm

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grumpyrom wrote:Excuse me if I'm ignorant on the subject, by why exactly can't they run the lines down the East side of Lake Winnipeg? We're talking about a clearing a swath of land maybe 100m wide, is this really that huge a deal? Seriously, how much harm can that possible do? Will the deer and bears refuse to cross the field under the hydro line to get to the other side? It's not like we're erecting some sort of barrier wall. I just don't get what the problem is. Having the lines cross across the entire province instead of going in a straight line south seems like the most dumbass idea ever.

Grumpy,

The government is under pressure to build a frigging road on the east side.

How hard would it be to build the transmission lines and road at the same time? And how much Money would it save the Tax payer to do both on the east side?

I would guess the Heads of Provincial Governmnet know best. They went to school to become experts at running sucessful businesses and expert engineers too. NOT


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14 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:43 pm

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If that's the case LD then they're extra stupid for not doing both at the same time. This is a real WTF moment on their part.

15 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:52 pm

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even better... it would give us an alternate route to the north in the case of the other two routes failing for some reason


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16 Re: the total cost the line is 2.2 billion. on Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:20 pm

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Did I mention we need to vote these asshats off the island?


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