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1 Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:25 pm

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The Canadian Press

Manitoba municipal leaders want the province to reroute its proposed high-voltage transmission line but Premier Greg Selinger is rejecting the idea.

Delegates at the annual convention of the Association of Manitoba Municipalities, being held this week in Winnipeg, have passed a resolution urging the province to abandon the west-side route.

They say it is too expensive and cuts through too much agricultural land.

More than 90 per cent of the AMM delegates supported the resolution. But Selinger said his government won't change its mind.

"We understand it was a healthy debate. We respect that, but it's our level of government that makes the decision," he said.

"We were elected on it in '07 and we're trying to follow through on it in a sensible way."

He said the route that runs down the west side of the province protects the boreal forest on the east side, and will not raise environmental concerns in states that buy electricity from Manitoba Hydro.

The Crown utility wanted to build a shorter power line down the east side of Lake Winnipeg, but in 2007 the NDP government announced the $2 billion project would be built on the west side of Lake Winnipeg to preserve the east side forest.

But that decision means the power line will cost an extra $640 million because it would have to be longer than if it was constructed on the east side of the lake. The western route is 50 per cent longer.

The province has also said the preferred route avoids National and Provincial Parks, as well as First Nation reserve lands, and has the least impact on agricultural land.

"It's going through prime agricutural land and there was not a lot of consultation with those agricutural producers," said AMM president Doug Dobrowolski.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2010/11/24/mb-bipole-route-municipalities-manitoba.html#ixzz16FGnMFAB


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2 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:30 pm

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why is it again dont we follow the same route as bipole I and II?

has anyone ever explained that?


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3 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:32 pm

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The sheer arrogance of selinger in this matter astounds me. If ever he were to hear solid grassroots appeal this is it! 90% of Manitoba municipalities rejected this cockamamie plan. 90%!!!

"We understand it was a healthy debate. We respect that, but it's our level of government that makes the decision," he said.

"We were elected on it in '07 and we're trying to follow through on it in a sensible way."

"we respect that, but IT'S OUR LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT THAT MAKES THE DECISION." You friggen arrogant asshat.

Then there is the asinine notion his government ran on that platform and was given the mandate by the people when elected.

BULLSH1T I say.

This one decision alone is reason enough to boot their sorry asses out of office.

This one decision alone is reason enough to demand plebiscites become a standard part of Manitoba elections.


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4 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:33 pm

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Deank wrote:why is it again dont we follow the same route as bipole I and II?

has anyone ever explained that?
One excuse I heard was a fear that one storm could wipe out all power in Manitoba by installing the line next to the existing lines.


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5 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:35 pm

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and remind me again how many times bipole I and II have been knocked out?


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6 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:36 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:The sheer arrogance of selinger in this matter astounds me. If ever he were to hear solid grassroots appeal this is it! 90% of Manitoba municipalities rejected this cockamamie plan. 90%!!!

"We understand it was a healthy debate. We respect that, but it's our level of government that makes the decision," he said.

"We were elected on it in '07 and we're trying to follow through on it in a sensible way."

"we respect that, but IT'S OUR LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT THAT MAKES THE DECISION." You friggen arrogant asshat.

Then there is the asinine notion his government ran on that platform and was given the mandate by the people when elected.

BULLSH1T I say.

This one decision alone is reason enough to boot their sorry asses out of office.

This one decision alone is reason enough to demand plebiscites become a standard part of Manitoba elections.

Cant the RMs simply refuse to give construction permits?


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7 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:45 pm

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Heh, that would be an interesting twist now wouldn't it?


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8 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:46 pm

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Deank wrote:and remind me again how many times bipole I and II have been knocked out?
For sure that is nothing more than a red herring.


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9 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:54 pm

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heh .. no doubt Smile


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10 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:57 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:Heh, that would be an interesting twist now wouldn't it?

would tie this thing up long enough for a new election to take place.

they can assert eminent domain all they want.. no matter they would have to fight it in court given the size of the project and the "reasoning" behind it. A judge may well be hard pressed to NOT grant injunctions against the construction.


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11 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:13 pm

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Surprising there exists no mechanism to temporarily halt these types of decisions, may as well throw in Stadium decision.

I really dislike arrogant politicians.

12 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:20 am

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A group of people and some cash to a lawyer should get their attention in court no?

In view of all the facts that have come out recently, I'd bet, with the stadium, a court would indeed grant an injunction...at least to stop digging.

Heh...funny thing about Mr. Arsker is that he hasn't figured out that when you're in the hole, the first thing to do is stop digging....he starts.

No wonder his daddy's company went tits-ups. Smile

13 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:14 am

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Heh...funny thing about Mr. Arsker is that he hasn't figured out that when you're in the hole, the first thing to do is stop digging....he starts.


LOL, to funny.

14 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:32 am

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$640 million dollars extra? Does that mean it will actually cost $6.4 Billion extra? Government estimats!
Who will go with JTF, G.O.M. and I this spring to burn sown the damned forest? I hear someone has posted a $1,000,000 bounty on that !
Did the Conservatives announce that if elected they would halt this insanity?

Does anyone agree with this decision? Is there any plus to this NDP decision?


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15 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:57 am

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The BIG PLUS is that this should coalesce efforts to oust the present party from government.

16 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:14 pm

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rosencrentz wrote:$640 million dollars extra? Does that mean it will actually cost $6.4 Billion extra? Government estimats!
Who will go with JTF, G.O.M. and I this spring to burn sown the damned forest? I hear someone has posted a $1,000,000 bounty on that !
Did the Conservatives announce that if elected they would halt this insanity?

Does anyone agree with this decision? Is there any plus to this NDP decision?

Actually... the 640 million extra is a low estimate. could be as much as 1.2 billion extra. never mind the 30+ million lost in revenue every year of its existence.


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17 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:53 pm

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...but...but...won't that be made up by all the tourists that will flock to, and fri ck up, the east side? heh heh...

18 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:04 pm

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Livio Ciaralli wrote:I really dislike arrogant politicians.

This isn't to call names...so please don't misinterpret.
I'm also not supporting Sellinger's position...I think it's dumb too.
But I'll play devil's advocate here about pots & kettles

Looking at an issue you were arguing in another thread though...one might presume the same attitude from you.

Sellinger, whether WE believe he is right, wrong, or an idiot, is only standing by a decision which HE (and maybe a few of his advisors) believe to be the "best" option available.
It's no different than that politician who thought those silly circles and new AT bike lanes were a "good idea".
And I'm sure he's of the mindset of "we'll build it first, and then you'll see what I see".

There may also be unreleased information he's working with...or funds exchanging hands to make things "happen".

The way to change the mind of someone like that is NOT to contest and protest. What needs to happen is to allow him to explain his point of view and ideas, and his own concerns with the alternative(s) until he realizes he's wrong...or until he convinces everyone else that he's right.

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19 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:08 pm

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I'm thinking that we should be looking at ways of repairing all the damage Doer/Selinger have made after next October. Wink

20 boss1961 on Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:26 pm

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What needs to happen is to allow him to explain his point of view and ideas, and his own concerns with the alternative(s) until he realizes he's wrong...or until he convinces everyone else that he's right.


He has been allowed, he gives no thoguht to the alternative, he doesn't realize he's wrong, and he fails to convince most experts. or listen to them.

Arrogant, unelected, uncreative, a total bore orf a leader.

21 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:30 pm

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A billuon dollars is a small amount to save the rain forrest of Manitoba!


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22 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:29 pm

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JTF wrote:...but...but...won't that be made up by all the tourists that will flock to, and fri ck up, the east side? heh heh...

Yeah, the controversy reminds me of a certain museum we're building. Money wasted but some people want it badly and it will cost us tens of millions each year to maintain. Others think it is a waste of money. Donations are tax-deductible so we're funding it both ways. Yeah, think of all the tourists who will make it all worthwhile.


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23 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:41 am

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The point to be taken is that the brainiacs want to preserve the virgin forest by making it a tourist destination.

Circular reasoning at its finest eh.

24 Re: Premier rejects request to alter Bipole on Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:08 pm

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It is too bad that Manitoba Hydro picked that side!


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