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1 An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:00 am

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From tom brodbecks Winnipeg sun blog: I really don’t care whether Kelly Block’s private member bill C 575 goes through or not but I do think that our First Nations have to quit reacting to antagonistic Canadian Taxpayer Federation missiles and stay the course on making sure the “free ride” ends. As long as we accept the concept of funding, we lose. The issue is and always has been about race based rights.

We are dealing with immigrants to our lands. They set up immigrant governments who now control our wealth and try to make us into immigrants in our own lands. Taxation legislation does not apply to indigenous people, taxes are for the immigrants, not us. Taxes are an agreement between immigrants and their immigrant governments. They came from Germany, England, France, Italy, Russia, China, India and a host of race based countries where they left their sovereignty and became Canadians, subject to all Canadian laws. We as indigenous people did not leave our homeland and our sovereignty is not based on Treaties, it is on based on our race and it is inherent. Quite simply, we were here first, we own the lands and the wealth of the lands.

As long as they fund us from Taxpayer monies, they have the right to audit us. Years ago, it was not called funding, it was called “Indian monies”. Treaties are not about indigenous rights, they are about immigrant rights. For us the Treaties only confirmed some of our inherent rights, Treaties did not create our rights. The right of immigrant governments to tax Canadians does not apply to indigenous people because we never agreed to be taxed by the immigrants. I agree there has been a free ride and that free ride must end. We as indigenous people finance Ottawa, not the other way around.

I will move two resolutions at the Assembly of First Nations summit on December 14th and 15th 2010 in Quebec. One of those resolutions is on social services, the other is on U.S. Congressional Hearings on Oil and Oil Pipelines. The resolutions will be on line at the AFN website next week but copies of those draft resolutions are attached.

For me, as Chief of Roseau River Anishinabe First Nation, I and my council get absolutely zero from Indian Affairs funding for our salaries and travel. I get $48,000 a year for my salary and it all comes from our own source revenue. The little tidbit that interests me in the Canadian Taxpayer Federation arguments is for First Nations to reveal revenue from Casinos and other own source funds such as Gas Stations and commercial businesses on reserve. Brothers and sisters, it is still the same, the white man wants to control us. Like the Arabs with oil, we should be the richest people in the world but as long as we accept funding, we will never force the issue of gaining a share of our own resource wealth and getting the immigrants to make lease payments for the use of our lands.

I say to you white man, pay your taxes, you left your homeland, as a Canadian, you owe your immigrant governments whatever they want to legislate in taxes. For us indigenous people, we contribute over 700 billion dollars a year in resource sales revenue and availability of resources to the immigrants in these lands. You pay nothing for the gravel, the timber, the oil and the sixty different metals and minerals that are mined in Canada. Take your funding if you want, we will force your immigrant governments to pay us a share of our resource wealth. You pay your taxes to the government not to us, your governments are obligated to pay us, regardless of what pot of revenue they are getting the dollars from.

I doubt that anyone will answer the question when Kelly Block’s legislation comes to the floor, but as an indigenous person I would like someone to ask the question, how much does the provincial and federal governments get from resource revenue sales and how much comes from tax payers. If it was not for the resource wealth, just how much of the $1.5 trillion GDP would be gone without resources wealth paying the workers and taxpayers their salaries. I don’t really expect an answer, accountability and transparency has its limits, right, white man?

Hey Tom Broadbeck, doesn’t it just gall the sh1t out of you, you are a well known writer, and you slave away for a taxed $40,000 a year and those damn “Indians” are collecting what you can only dream of. Maybe you should get some poor Indian to nominate you for Chief, after all, under the Indian Act, anyone can be chief as long as you can get them to vote for you.

Chief Terrance Nelson

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2 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:03 am

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Interesting perspective. nelson's people did not originate on these lands either. It is argued that the Vikings were actually the very first peoples on this land.

But nelson say's everyone else is an immigrant white man...

Spoiler:
Look forward to ton's of links to irrelevant Indian Act web pages...


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3 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:49 am

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IMO, the one that pays the bills gets to call the shots.

If some of these freedloading natives don't like being under the white man's control, thay should pay their bills with their own money.

I'm getting really sick of all this whinning from these overpaid jerkoffs that pretend that they actually do something for their handout money.

The equivalent of $1.8M a year salary to run a 300 people reserve says it all imo.

4 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:46 am

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Wasn't the chief ousted legally a couple of years ago, but refused to leave?

5 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:16 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:Interesting perspective. nelson's people did not originate on these lands either. It is argued that the Vikings were actually the very first peoples on this land.

But nelson say's everyone else is an immigrant white man...

Spoiler:
Look forward to ton's of links to irrelevant Indian Act web pages...


It is argued that the Vikings were here before the other Europeans. Not before the natives. The paleo indians came to North America via the land bridge 40,000 to 12,000 years ago.

6 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:47 pm

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I have no clue what the aboriginal complaint is?
The white man coughs up appx $8 Billion dollars for what?
It isn't enough to cover much of anything, when you add in housing costs, because I believe there are 1 million getting a piece of the total, so that is only $8,000 per person, which is less than the $12,000 I get for being 65 years old.


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7 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:48 pm

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I wonder if they had to edit out all of the classics threats of violence against the "white man" that Terrance Fucktard Nelson is known for uttering?
Seriously, this guy has no credibility, as an aboriginal or a person. He is a crackpot that just likes to hear himself talk. He is cocky, arrogant and relentless in his quest to continually divide aboriginals from the rest of Canadian society.
Put a sock in it Terry; no one cares what you have to say anymore.

8 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:08 pm

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I believe the "white" man gets really antagonistic at the aboriginal leaders that are wasting their members resources (money)!
That is why the interest in the pay they take for being one of 620 bands of merry men. This includes travel expenses to the 18 meetings that they attend in places unknown to be cold.
There is something wrong with aboriginal band members who stay in one spot that is polluted by their prescense.
They haven't noticed that things are getting worse because they have nothing to do, no woek, no clean clothes, no healthy reasonably priced food, and yet all that appears to be done is absolutely nothing on an on going basis.
Where is the initiative to come down to Winnipeg and get on welfare here until they can get a job and start living?


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9 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:35 am

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The initiative to come to Wpg and get on welfare? That doesn't take much initiative but it's a good first step. The problem is that it doesn't have a term - like everything else in our life/reality. Welfare should be like EI - one year max - then you get to work - at anything. That will be the first step to save this race from their fate otherwise. That is called helping them.

10 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:16 pm

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seems like a good as place as any so I will put this here


Was watching TV both today and something on the internet from a few weeks back.

Seems the chinese know what to do for chronic housing shortages.

in one thing they put together a 15 story hotel in 6 days

http://onemansblog.com/2010/11/22/the-chinese-can-build-15-story-hotel-in-six-days-why-cant-we/


sure everything was prefab and they just moved it to site and slapped it together. But building like that would be the best way to get multiple housing units built quickly up north.

One caveat... no dicking around saying that X number of workers must be local. That is simply not possible. Imagine that. 6 days the housing (and water) shortage on any reserve solved only problem being that they dont get their own "house". Big whop.


The other project was today on BBC. again the chinese they build these "huge" buildings that were basically large community apartment buildings. The apartments themselves were very small with just tiny kitchens and living rooms and small bedrooms with enormous common areas where they could interact as a community, library's computers, exercise areas, basketball courts. etc.. Again another concept that could easily work. And since everyone knows that all natives are all about "community" this would work perfect.

So how about we just stop with all this garbage and instead of building +80K houses for every family we build these things that would be less then 20K per apartment?


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11 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:16 pm

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How does putting up housing units solve the too much crap in the poisoned water problem?
Those units should be put up on the Kapyong barracks land , so the people can get work, or at least be close to a Superstore and their back yard neighbours in Tuxedo! lol


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12 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:21 pm

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So the answer to housing shortages on reserves is to build communist style communal apartments? I'm a little shocked to hear such a suggestion around here lol.

13 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:31 pm

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I like the idea of metal framing! Harder to rip apart and burn.


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14 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:36 pm

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Better yet, send in the pieces with the instructions in Chinese, sort of as a make work project and pay the locals to build their own home! The sweat equity theory which works so well with other home projects!
For water, we have an army that has a water making equipement standing idle , probably in the East coast some where. Bring that in and leave it there to make safe drineable water.
We have the resources, it's the common sense that is lacking!


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15 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:28 am

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Nelson is such a jerk. So, the "immigrants" should pay him for the resources. First, isn't it part of his traditional teachings that Mother Earth belongs to no one, but all of us? Second, where is he going to find the collection agency to take that task on?

16 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:38 am

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grumpyrom wrote:So the answer to housing shortages on reserves is to build communist style communal apartments? I'm a little shocked to hear such a suggestion around here lol.

hehehehehe


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17 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:38 am

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rosencrentz wrote:How does putting up housing units solve the too much crap in the poisoned water problem?
Those units should be put up on the Kapyong barracks land , so the people can get work, or at least be close to a Superstore and their back yard neighbours in Tuxedo! lol

water is cheap and not a problem when you dont have to run 1 mile of pipe per house.


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18 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:41 pm

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I thought the lake water wasn't safe because of too many residents , too close to one another, and no place to store the poop?


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19 Re: An open letter from chief terry nelson on Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:53 pm

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point being what? they could still run it through a water plant and have it coming out great. HELL most of the reserves have those water plants, but the people have to transport it to their houses themselves or GASP pay for the service. Or some water plants are not running properly because they keep training people (for free) to run them and then the wise people get a very high paying job off reserve as a water specialist.


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