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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Plan-in-works-to-subsidize-cost--of-installing-sump-pumps-backwater-valves.html

I don't want to be branded as pessimistic.
But it sounds like trolling for votes to me. Wink
And people wonder why their provincial taxes are so high. Sad

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Sounds to me like the peep in the know, have gotten a look at the report of the forecast that will be out on Jan 24 and they are scared shitless because of how bad its looking right now, when we have another 2 months of precipitation to be accounted for yet.


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Buzz is, the expected flood will be worse than '97.


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See.. and THIS is the type of thing we should be worrying about with global warming.

how do we cope with a radically changed environment? Not..lets try to change it back to what we want.

Maybe we need all our houses to be on stilts?
Maybe we need to ensure all our buildings cant take 4 times whatever weight rating they can withstand now to deal with all the snow we will be getting?

Ideas like that need to seriously start being looked at because I can tell you with certainty if the water is 2 feet above your basement window and sump pump and a valve aint gonna do much for ya.


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Weeeeeeellll... I agree, but I'm more concerned with the short term (IE the next couple of months) as it affects my bottom line.

Thanks to an NDA, I can't reveal my sources, but it appears we're in for a LOT of water this spring...


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I can reveal my sources and even guess at yours

my source. HOLY FARK WE JUST MISSED SETTING A RECORD FOR precipitation


combined with... most precipitation happens in the spring when records are set, but not this year. this year it was spread out. with ALOT of it in the fall and winter.

combined with a completely saturated ground when we finally froze
combined with a river that was still just barely below flood stage and about 2 metres above normal winter levels just before freeze up



your source?
A government body just recently ordered a farkload of hose or advised you to have it on hand.


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Deank wrote:
your source?
A government body just recently ordered a farkload of hose or advised you to have it on hand.

That'd be too easy Smile


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oo.. your main supplier advised you guys to buy more because the artificial undergound lake they created to force a huge flood to happen so that increased hose sales result, has finally reached capacity and will be released on Feb 28.


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Invest in sandbags...


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Deank wrote:Sounds to me like the peep in the know, have gotten a look at the report of the forecast that will be out on Jan 24 and they are scared shitless because of how bad its looking right now, when we have another 2 months of precipitation to be accounted for yet.

Kind of sad actually.
Grandpa & Grandma sell their house and move into an apartment because they can no longer look after their house.
Then big brother tells them they have to to look after other peoples houses (through their taxes).
If they do go though with this, I hope they make the assistance dependent on income.

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So, why does government have to subsidize back flows and sump pumps. Should they not just advise us of the potential for big time flooding and to take steps to mitigate damages. Like, check to see if your stuff if working, and if you don't have a back flow or sump pump, you don't qualify for disaster relief funding should your basement flood due to back up. (Overland flooding is a different thing) Insurance companies won't provide coverage for your roof if its over 20 years old or so, so the solution is, get a new bloody roof, does government need to subsidize that?

Its getting stupid already that they have to spoon feed the population. Let people take some responsibility for themselves and thier property.

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HA! Some people will ignore every warning issued. And then, when their basement floods, scream bloody blue murder about the government never doing anything to "protect" them.

If this will help save the taxpayer a few bucks down the road then it is money well spent. However I agree that people need to take these matters in their own hands and not rely on taxpayer largess.


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I would think it would make more sense for the "government" to buy a
massive supply of the items and then sell them at cost to the home owners

The buying power should save close to 10%

Should also hire a couple more inspectors temp to inspect the work done.


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Deank wrote:I would think it would make more sense for the "government" to buy a
massive supply of the items and then sell them at cost to the home owners

I have a better idea.
The government can mandate:
1. No new house can be sold without the backwater / sump water pits in place.
2. You can not sell your house if it does not have backwater / sump water pits in place. (The seller can add the cost to his selling price.)
3. Don't come crying to the government for help if you don't backwater / sump water pits in place if your basement floods.

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I view this as similar to the MPI covered immobilizer.


If the cost to the government to subsidize purchase of sump
pumps and backwater valves will be less than the costs they would incur due to
flooding over say a 5 year period then I can’t see how this would be a bad
expenditure.


I would think they would make the program retroactive to
yesterday ( considering a) the Mayor announced it and b) the premier was
telling people to get going on the work.). I don’t think it should be retroactive
any earlier than that though.


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"1. No new house can be sold without the backwater / sump water pits in place."
umm.. done? already I think?

"2. You can not sell your house if it does not have backwater / sump
water pits in place. (The seller can add the cost to his selling price.)"

definitely dont agree to that.

"3. Don't come crying to the government for help if you don't backwater / sump water pits in place if your basement floods."

dont agree to that either (not totally)...mind you I have insurance to cover my basement flooding. (why doesnt everyone ??)

However no matter if you have those or not.. if the flooding is CAUSED by the government on purpose or through negligence they should be liable.


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Deank wrote:However no matter if you have those or not.. if the flooding is CAUSED by the government on purpose or through negligence they should be liable.

The NDP government is responsible for everything, floods, cold weather, snow storms, mosquitoes, but it just gets too expensive for them (us) to cover all the costs.

ps How can government be responsible for flooding? Do they make it rain or what?

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flood of 1997 they actually caused flooding in.. umm GRande Point was it?


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Deank wrote:"1. No new house can be sold without the backwater / sump water pits in place."
umm.. done? already I think?

"2. You can not sell your house if it does not have backwater / sump
water pits in place. (The seller can add the cost to his selling price.)"

definitely dont agree to that.

"3. Don't come crying to the government for help if you don't backwater / sump water pits in place if your basement floods."

dont agree to that either (not totally)...mind you I have insurance to cover my basement flooding. (why doesnt everyone ??)

However no matter if you have those or not.. if the flooding is CAUSED by the government on purpose or through negligence they should be liable.

Sorry, but I think sump pumps, backwater valves, insurance come with the expense & responsibility of owning your own home.
I thought we lived on a flood plain?
If people do not want that responsibility then let the government own the residences and those people can rent from the government.

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No no.. you are mistaken in what I am saying.

I am saying there should not be a law saying the pump and valve are required as part of owning the home. This is what insurance is for or no insurance.. whatever.. thats your choice too. Its a choice, not a law. Just too bad for you if you make poor choices.

But in cases where the GOVERNMENT causes the flooding, it should not matter if you had insurance, a pump or a valve they should be required to pay up and there should be not limit.

Just like in an accident of any kind the person at fault needs to pay up.


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My house for instance.

Even without the new floodway enhancements it was predicted to NOT be impacted by even a 700 year flood.

AND my basement floor is 2 or 3 feet above everyone else in the neighbourhood because its a by-level or whatever its called.

So overland flooding should not be an issue for me,ever. But sewer backup, had potential. But to me, if the backup is caused by faulty city equipment or somesuch.. then its the CITY's responsibility.

These are things that governments fulling accept and admit to. Things like.. ooops we forgot to open that gate or oops... yeah we knew about that ice blockage and just never did anything. Or ..yeah our engineer shut off the wrong pump.

Their responsibility they pay.

However, I still have a valve and insurance.


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Deank wrote:My house for instance.... was predicted to NOT be impacted by even a 700 year flood.
Well good luck with the upcoming 2500-year flood.

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Why good luck?

I have insurance

My deductible is $100 and I am insured to $20K.


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Deank wrote:flood of 1997 they actually caused flooding in.. umm GRande Point was it?

How did government "cause" flooding in Grande Point (and I'm not sure if thats even the case), but wasn't it a lot of snow and a quick thaw that caused the 97 flood.

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nope

the "flood" was caused by nature

The flooding of grand pointe was caused by operation of the floodway gates in an "illegal" manner


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