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1 Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:13 am

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A divided city council approved Winnipeg's infrastructure-spending plan for this year during a chippy special meeting that further damaged the strained relationship between Mayor Sam Katz and Fort Rouge Coun. Jenny Gerbasi.

On Tuesday, council voted 10-6 to approve the city's 2011 capital budget, a spending blueprint for $370 million worth of road, bridge, sewer and building construction projects and repairs.

The plan calls for the city to complete previously announced projects such as the $195-million Disraeli Freeway reconstruction, the $109-million Chief Peguis Trail extension and the $105-million conversion of the Canada Post building into a new police headquarters. It's also involves $69 million less in infrastructure spending than the city undertook in 2010, when federal stimulus funds brought the capital budget to $439 million.

On the floor of council, Katz and finance chairman Scott Fielding (St. James) described this year's capital budget as making the most with limited resources. But opposition councillors criticized the document for doing too little and also complained the plan was developed without their input.

Gerbasi went as far as accusing Katz of burying a report from an infrastructure council the mayor struck up in May and talked up during the civic election. She claimed the report, which was supposed to recommend ways the city can tackle its $3.5-billion infrastructure deficit, has not seen the light of day because "the mayor and his group don't like something in it."

Katz reacted angrily. "For any councillor to start making accusations or innuendos about things being buried, that's totally untrue and shame on you," he said before the vote. "Maybe you're looking for attention or love."

Gerbasi demanded an apology, but Katz refused. After the meeting, he told reporters the infrastructure council would soon hold its final meeting and issue a report afterward.
While the report might suggest higher development fees and a new sales tax, Katz said it's unlikely any of its recommendations will be included in the city operating budget, which he and Fielding are expected to table next week.

On the floor of council, Transcona Coun. Russ Wyatt said the city has already hired consultants to explore the idea of creating development fees but rejected the idea. Wyatt slammed Katz for not borrowing more money to conduct infrastructure repairs, claiming the "city is crumbling" to the point where Winnipeg's roads are as bad as those in Cuba.
"Fidel doesn't like roads. I guess we don't like them either," quipped Wyatt, imploring Katz to use his powers as mayor "to move mountains."

Daniel McIntyre Coun. Harvey Smith also elicited laughs for suggesting it's just as easy to win the lottery as to get your back lane fixed in Winnipeg.

In the end, Smith, Wyatt, Gerbasi, John Orlikow (River Heights), Ross Eadie (Mynarski) and Mike Pagtakhan (Point Douglas) voted against the capital budget.

St. Vital Coun. Gord Steeves derided the opposition for criticizing the spending plan without offering alternatives. Katz said the opposition was merely motivated by ideology.

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Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition February 23, 2011 A4


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2 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:16 am

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No surprise here. Lines drawn along councillors ideology.

I would prefer though to hear those slighted to tell the voter exactly what it is that has so peeved them. What is jenny saying is being hidden? Does wyatt have anything other than borrowing to suggest?

Hyperbole and drama. Job done jenny and russ. Now you can scoot back to your constituents and claim you've done your job. When in reality, as usual, you've contributed nothing to this city...


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3 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:46 am

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And we still have crappy streets

4 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:49 am

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Developer fees should be the new normal in this city if we want to have any hope of tackling the infrastructure deficit. Case in point the Ikea development on Route 90, who has to pay for the changes that will be necessary on Route 90 and Sterling Lyon? Currently the burden is on the city (unless I'm horribly mistaken), why is the cost burden not on the developer at least partially? If we're going to be spending money ripping up a brand new intersection to accomodate an Ikea, then that's less money available to fix roads somewhere else that sorely need them.

5 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:37 am

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My understanding of the IKEA deal was that they were paying partially for the infrastructure CHANGES required to accommodate them.

I guess I'm a little confused about why there's a deficit though...

Where does the money for each of these projects and other things come from for the city?
As far as I knew, it was from property taxes right?

So...if you take $370M, and divide by an estimated 500k...you get $740 per property.
Now MY property taxes are $1200/year...and I live in a cheap area..probably one of the lowest in the city.

So that's a surplus of more than $400...just from me.
Let's estimate that same surplus for all 500k property taxpayers (and it SHOULD be much higher)
That gives a surplus of another $200M, which should be enough to pay salaries and other expenses the city has, including paying down some debt.

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6 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:42 am

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There ain't 500k property tax payers.

Besides, they always spend money on flavour-du-jour crap and major-mismanagement issues instead of where it should go...like sewers and roads, etc.

7 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:48 am

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And things like police, fire and ambulance...


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8 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:54 am

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I think they piss away a lot of money in those departments though. But they are sacrosanct eh. Wink

9 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:21 am

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JTF wrote:There ain't 500k property tax payers.

No?
Including all businesses, houses, rentals, etc.

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10 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:12 pm

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There's around 200k households as I recall...don't know the number of businesses.

11 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:17 pm

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Council needs to elevate their discussion to deal with issues plaquing every city in the country. We can't afford our defiit on our own and we make the City less desirable to live in. Expats continue to be our best possible area of growth ( at least 50 THousand who could come back ) if we truly offer them a reason to come back. But squabble along, quality residents will continue to leave while using our infrastrucure to suit their lifestyle.

12 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:19 pm

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370 capital budget is only about half of what the operating budget is of 780ish.

In total every year the city spends 1.1-1.2 Billion


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13 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:25 pm

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Livio Ciaralli wrote:Council needs to elevate their discussion to deal with issues plaquing every city in the country. We can't afford our defiit on our own and we make the City less desirable to live in. Expats continue to be our best possible area of growth ( at least 50 THousand who could come back ) if we truly offer them a reason to come back. But squabble along, quality residents will continue to leave while using our infrastrucure to suit their lifestyle.
There was another open house yesterday held by the residents of Fort Rouge concerned about the new housing development recently approved by city council along side the new transit corridor.

Bets it is another attempt to stop the development? If I was a developer from out of town I'd think long and hard about investing in this city. Most cities would welcome increased density along a rapid transit corridor.

Too many years of lackadaisical impotent leadership me thinks. We need to reverse this trend. Soon.


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14 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:28 pm

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Liv. The secret to bringing those 50K folks home is to have 82 degree weather in January and February here in the Peg. Smile

15 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:33 pm

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Hmmmm jtf, not those expats, I am looking at the LaSalle, Stonewall, St.Paul, Headingley type of "expats".

16 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:36 pm

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oops. Wink

Perhaps amalgamation then?

17 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:37 pm

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West St Paul is going to tap into the water supply shortly... others will follow, eventually I think our borders will grow, but it wont be for 10-20 years.


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18 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:41 pm

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We could start with the school boards then gradually move on to these bedroom communities. We did it once before so we can do it again eh.

That would save huge amounts of money I bet.

19 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:46 pm

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School boards will become a provinial issue to deal with one they accept the fact they will have to first provide the trickle down to Municipalites. They will e fporced to sharpen their pencils.

20 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:50 pm

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I think the "move" on the bedroom communities will be greatly helped by the water treatment plant. When the municipalities start to realize they need to upgrade water and waste to meet the new provincial guidelines as well, they will look at the cost and realize its far cheaper to tie into the Winnipeg system and it go from there.

Are taxes really that much different any more?


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21 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:03 pm

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Now why would we want Winnipeg "expand" even more geographically. Much more efficient to just have people move back and repopulate

22 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:07 pm

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because that aint gonna happen even in a plumbers pipe dream


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23 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:33 pm

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Could happen much faster than you think Dean. But if enough AIn't 's control our politics, you are right.

24 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:56 pm

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Actually NO.. It can not happen. IT will not happen. EVER.

There is NO WAY, NO HOW that 50,000 houses and land will be purchased by any government and raised to force these people to move into Winnipeg.

Unless of course your plan somehow includes magic and fairy dust.

Might as well say the Eifell Tower and Statue of Liberty will be moved here too, at least those at least somewhat reasonable.


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25 Re: Jabs fly during city budget battle on Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:16 pm

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you are going hyperbolic once again deano.
50 THosuand People does not trranslate into 50000 houses.. And no government needs to force anyone to do anything. All they have to do is offer a better deal.

My Plan - no fairy dust required, just a good chunk of my tax dollars to make the City a better place to live.
But again, you are right, if the mindset of peggers is such as yours, i would agree, nothing will happen. You just keep on tinkering with details and no cash while other municpalities do the serious work of getting this done. Then you can copy it , tinkler with it, and claim it as your own.

NO WAY NO HOW....ugh how constipated.

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