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1 Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 7:55 am

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I think I'll be starting a new section soon: The Winnipeg "Jets"...
They’re down to the nitty-gritty.

A Winnipeg man tantalizingly close to landing an NHL franchise, and an Atlanta group desperate to get out of the game.

True North’s Mark Chipman, whose tried and true methods have curried plenty of favour with league brass, and the Atlanta Spirit, which doesn’t have any left. Spirit or favour, it appears.

How can this match made in hockey heaven (or hell, depending on where you live) not result in a sale and relocation of the Thrashers to Winnipeg?

Word broke Monday, first in a report by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and later confirmed to QMI Agency by a league source requesting anonymity, that True North and the Atlanta Spirit are in negotiations.

To say this is the beginning of the process, though, wouldn’t be accurate.

The truth is True North’s affection for the Thrashers was documented as far back as October, 2009.

The legwork done then, and subsequent talks between Chipman and the NHL over the wobbling Phoenix Coyotes, who almost needed a soft spot to land themselves, should have covered many of the bases.

The NHL has been busy covering others, like next year’s schedule.

Like it did a year ago with Phoenix and Winnipeg, the league has been crafting alternate schedules, one with Atlanta on it, and one, for the first time in 15 years, with Winnipeg.

A spokesman for True North said the organization wouldn’t confirm or deny any of this, while NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly declined comment.

The man trying to co-ordinate the Thrashers sale, club president Don Waddell, said they “continue to explore all our options regarding the future of the Thrashers.”

Those options appear limited.

True North may not have exclusivity in its dealings with Atlanta ownership, but it’s close.

As recently as late last week, Thrashers co-owner Bruce Levenson said the group had made no progress in finding a buyer willing to keep the team in Atlanta, where it’s losing an average $20 million per season.

The Journal-Constitution Monday reported a locally oriented group was in talks as well, but it’s awfully late for a new player in this game.

“They are working with a short window,” the league source told us.

A window that closes this week? Next? Hazard your own guess.

Even Thrashers players recognize the urgency

“Could be a crazy week with all this winnipeg talk,” was the comment on forward Evander Kane’s Twitter account. “Looking forward to see how it all goes down.”

Previous reports indicate it could go down as follows: True North paying $170 million for the franchise, with $110 million going to the Spirit, $60 million to the NHL in the form of a relocation fee.

The effect on the league’s alignment is potentially more complex.

We’re told the Detroit Red Wings want to move into the Eastern Conference, as does Columbus. The league is more likely to appease the Wings in that choice.

Geographically, though, Nashville could easily take Atlanta’s place in the Southeast Division, opening a spot in the Central Division of the West.

Mind you, Winnipeg is best suited for the Northwest.

Time may be too short for a realignment in time for next season.

And given the I-didn’t-see-that-one-coming moments in this saga over the months (years?), this talk is all a little premature.

Talks between Chipman and the Atlanta Spirit, on the other hand, are long overdue. Serious ones, at least.

With the league’s Phoenix distraction on the back-burner, they’ve obviously begun.

When they end, Atlanta’s hockey spirit could be headed True North.


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2 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 7:57 am

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It's my guess there will be an announcement within the next three weeks. And our new NHL team will be skating on MTS ice this fall.

The only real question is the team name...


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3 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 8:20 am

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The Thrashing Jets perhaps?

4 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 8:58 am

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Are there any thrashers in Manitoba?


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5 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 9:53 am

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heh...

now where have I heard that the NHL coming back to Winnipeg is the NDPs wet dream before??

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2011/05/16/thrashers-true-north-in-negotiations-report


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6 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 9:54 am

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Thresher mans?


http://ag-museum.com/events/threshermens-reunion-and-stampede/

it's part of our heritage....



Last edited by JT Estoban on Tue May 17, 2011 9:59 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : forgot to include a link)


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7 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 10:33 am

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Good for them if they can pull it off without taxpayer subsidy ...

8 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 10:54 am

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JT Estoban wrote:Thresher mans?


http://ag-museum.com/events/threshermens-reunion-and-stampede/

it's part of our heritage....
Ahhh, that kind of thresher. I think the thrasher referred to in Atlanta is a bird.


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9 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 11:36 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Ahhh, that kind of thresher. I think the thrasher referred to in Atlanta is a bird.
nope, the name thrashers comes from "thrashing about" ... definitely designatig a winner

10 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 12:40 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:Ahhh, that kind of thresher. I think the thrasher referred to in Atlanta is a bird.

Yesum, that's what I understood also.

I was after a subtle pay on words..."Thresher" + "Man"-itoba...which sorta worked out...still lame tho. Wink

Somehow I suspect we'd be a laughing stock of the league if used a threshing machine for a logo...


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11 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 12:50 pm

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I agree, be funny though... I'm still up for some sort of play on Polar Bears if the Jets is not used.

Make no mistake though I strongly want the team to be named the Winnipeg Jets...


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12 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 12:55 pm

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we simply can NOT be the bears.

Although.. if we were would that bring Glen Murray back to lead our city again like so many people want?


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13 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 1:03 pm

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Winnipig Hogs

14 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 4:34 pm

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Everyone loves bacon.....

15 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 8:01 pm

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Well that did not take long.
When are people going to learn Millionaires do not stay as Millionaires for long if they are risking their own money.
Didn't Winnipeg do this dance before?
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/True-North-seeking-debt-help-from-govt-in-NHL-bid-122067534.html

16 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 8:06 pm

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If True North wants a loan, they can go to the CU or bank like I do.

17 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 9:09 pm

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I gotta say this came completely out of left field. I can only imagine the True North peeps are doing this is because the government(s) have set precedents. AND it's an election year with the ndp likely willing to do ANYTHING to stay in power.

I'm willing to bet that were the government to turn True North down they'd proceed anyway. selinger should call their bluff.

He won't.


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18 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 10:45 pm

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well frick... and here we thought that true north would be honest and up front.

what a crock.

NO we dont need a team


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19 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 11:09 pm

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Putting in tax money to help bring back the NHL will boost the NDP's popularity among some, but also hurt them among others. Similar situation to them supporting a new stadium for the Bombers.

Hugh will have a tough time criticizing them, however, since this was part of his platform during the last election.

Will the NDP do anything to get elected? I doubt it. Let's see them shut up their critics by eliminating the payroll tax and making Manitoba more business-friendly. Not going to happen.


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20 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 11:12 pm

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The insiders at jetsowner.com are saying the article is poorly researched and misleading. I'll wait until the whole story comes out before damning anyone.

Regardless, for once my tax dollars would be going to something I like, so I won't complain. Wink

http://yaciuk.blogspot.com

21 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 11:35 pm

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I'll defer to mantha on this. Up to this point there has never been a hint of government involvement here. So I'll wait untill more details are presented.


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22 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 11:40 pm

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Sounds like it may be a bridge loan at low or no interest. A handout, but not a handout..

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23 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Tue May 17, 2011 11:53 pm

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you know what.. opening up a deal like this... usually means we get to open stuff in the contract to.

so... lets get rid of the fucken no compete clause bullshit.


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24 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Wed May 18, 2011 7:22 am

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I am amazed that nobody saw this coming.

Of course they are going to ask for money. It's what they do.

25 Re: Thrashers, True North in talks on Wed May 18, 2011 7:31 am

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Deank wrote:you know what.. opening up a deal like this... usually means we get to open stuff in the contract to.

so... lets get rid of the fricken no compete clause bullshit.
Seems totally fair in my books. You give me this. I give you that in exchange. Think selinger and his maroons will go there?

Me neither.


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