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1 Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 10:20 am

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2 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 10:56 am

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There is some debate as to whether the intentional flooding was required. I don't know one way or the other. I do know that the province does owe the people affected compensation. Be interesting how selinger handles this in an election year.


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3 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 11:27 am

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dumping an insane amount of water into lake manitoba is basically saving Winnipeg's a$$.

but I dont give Sellinger any of the credit for that


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4 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 12:12 pm

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I think the NDP dropped the ball on the 2011 flood issue.
Flooding peoples land and putting their homes and livelihood at risk on purpose when they are miles away from the river is not acceptable in my opinion.

5 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 12:20 pm

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welll........

IF the artificial dikes on the river did not already exist for flood mitigation. 10,000s more would have been inundated with this flood. So... by them breaching the dike like that...are they not just letting mother nature run a partial course?


but the reality is. IF they actually had high enough dikes along the assinboine river to handle all this water. Winnipeg would be proper fricked right now if all the water being dumped in Lake manitoba and the stuff being let go through the breach was all headed here instead.


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6 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 12:34 pm

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so...what we're all saying is...Manitoba needs bigger dikes! lol!

Does anyone suppose there will be a upgrade proposal for the Portage Diversion (Sellenger's Ditch....?) in the near future?....


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7 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 12:48 pm

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oh damn straight they are going to upgrade the portage diversion AND the Lake St Martin outflow as well.


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8 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 12:58 pm

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Deank wrote:welll........

IF the artificial dikes on the river did not already exist for flood mitigation. 10,000s more would have been inundated with this flood. So... by them breaching the dike like that...are they not just letting mother nature run a partial course?


but the reality is. IF they actually had high enough dikes along the assinboine river to handle all this water. Winnipeg would be proper fricked right now if all the water being dumped in Lake manitoba and the stuff being let go through the breach was all headed here instead.
If you saying these people got thrown under the bus to save Winnipeg, then I agree 100 %. Exclamation
I still don't understand why the water is still on the farm land.
As far as I am concerned these people will remain under the bus until their land is restored and they are properly compensated for their losses.

9 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 1:01 pm

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Happens to the people south of winnipeg quite routinely eh.


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10 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 1:08 pm

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Deank wrote:Happens to the people south of winnipeg quite routinely eh.
2 wrongs do not make a right.
Unfortunately the government did not improve the design on the entrance to the Winnipeg floodway during the last expansion.

11 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 1:10 pm

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what wrong? 700K people are more important then 5K people. Simple math.


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12 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 1:43 pm

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Deank wrote:Happens to the people south of winnipeg quite routinely eh.
2 wrongs do not make a right.
Unfortunately the government did not improve the design on the entrance to the Winnipeg floodway during the last expansion.
Whether the inlet of the south portion of the Winnipeg floodway would have been redesigned or not, the folks south of it still would be affected. Just like the folks who live north of the outlet in Lockport are always going to be affected because of where they are. As for the Portage diversion and the breach of the dike, 150 properties are being affect as opposed to close to 850 or more. And some of the others that are being affect and are in the news have nothing to do with either the Red or the Assiniboine directly.


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13 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 2:43 pm

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holly golightly wrote:
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Deank wrote:Happens to the people south of winnipeg quite routinely eh.
2 wrongs do not make a right.
Unfortunately the government did not improve the design on the entrance to the Winnipeg floodway during the last expansion.
Whether the inlet of the south portion of the Winnipeg floodway would have been redesigned or not, the folks south of it still would be affected. Just like the folks who live north of the outlet in Lockport are always going to be affected because of where they are. As for the Portage diversion and the breach of the dike, 150 properties are being affect as opposed to close to 850 or more. And some of the others that are being affect and are in the news have nothing to do with either the Red or the Assiniboine directly.
That's my point.
At least the Red River goes right by the people at the north and south sides of the city.
Why did the people of Oakville have to sandbag their homes?
Their home are like 5 miles from the river.

14 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 2:48 pm

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we have a very very low grade in this part of red river valley thats why.


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15 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 2:58 pm

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got some 3D glasses handy?

check this out

http://www.gov.mb.ca/stem/mrd/info/libmin/MAP2005-3.pdf


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16 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 3:03 pm

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17 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 3:35 pm

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Being so low, wouldn't digging out the Portage Diversion become risky? What if such a flood was to happen with a bigger flow... what if the water moves back towards the Assiniboine River, towards Winnipeg...
My idea would be to dig out emergency reservoirs for the extra water, along the Souris and Assiniboine, in areas far from farmland. The better topsoil scraped away could be used by the farmers and there would be new soil deposited every spring. The reservoirs don't have to be dug very deep, just enough to hold the extra flow, and then to let the water reside back to the river once the level goes down.


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18 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 3:42 pm

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If there was enough water in Lake Manitoba to back up into the assiniboine river at the diversions we would be very much farked.

umm 50 metres difference?


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19 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 3:46 pm

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Oakville is also along tributaries of the Assinioboine watershed. Just like Elm Creek, Elie, Newton. What about Brunkild in 1997, who are miles from the Red River, yet they had to put up that nice dike to prevent their town from flooding. When you live in low lying land, you are not immune from things like this happening. And the dikes that are being built in Oakville are preventative for basement flooding, not whole home flooding. I have friends outside of Oakville who are finished sandbagging and theirs was only 2 feet tall (4 bags high) so it is not as dire as the press is making it out to be.


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20 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 3:48 pm

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Electrician wrote:Being so low, wouldn't digging out the Portage Diversion become risky? What if such a flood was to happen with a bigger flow... what if the water moves back towards the Assiniboine River, towards Winnipeg...
My idea would be to dig out emergency reservoirs for the extra water, along the Souris and Assiniboine, in areas far from farmland. The better topsoil scraped away could be used by the farmers and there would be new soil deposited every spring. The reservoirs don't have to be dug very deep, just enough to hold the extra flow, and then to let the water reside back to the river once the level goes down.
I think that was the idea behind the Shellmouth Reservoir.
But these reservoirs have to be monitored.
I heard they lower the level of the Shellmouth reservoir in the late fall/winter because they expect a big spring runoff.
It sure would be nice to know when they turned on the taps at the Fairford Dam to attempt to lower the level of Lake Manitoba.

21 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 3:55 pm

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the taps are always turned on. They opened them up full force umm.. April 17thish?


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22 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 4:13 pm

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Deank wrote:the taps are always turned on. They opened them up full force umm.. April 17thish?
Poor minnows...
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23 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 4:16 pm

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I like going passed there and seeing the water flowing so fast.


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24 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 4:23 pm

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Electrician wrote:Being so low, wouldn't digging out the Portage Diversion become risky? What if such a flood was to happen with a bigger flow... what if the water moves back towards the Assiniboine River, towards Winnipeg...
My idea would be to dig out emergency reservoirs for the extra water, along the Souris and Assiniboine, in areas far from farmland. The better topsoil scraped away could be used by the farmers and there would be new soil deposited every spring. The reservoirs don't have to be dug very deep, just enough to hold the extra flow, and then to let the water reside back to the river once the level goes down.

That's pretty much exactly what they're doing right now.

25 Re: Lake Manitoba Swallows! on Tue May 17, 2011 7:00 pm

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Deank wrote:the taps are always turned on. They opened them up full force umm.. April 17thish?
It seems like that may have been too late.
I wonder when those taps would have been opened up in Al Warkenton was still the chief flood forecaster.

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