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26 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:00 am

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Outsider wrote:http://www.winnipegsun.com/2011/07/08/not-enough-parking-or-buses-to-get-fans-to-new-stadium-report

According to this article, about 1,500 people take the bus to the game now.
And they think 10,000 will be willing to take the bus to the game at the new stadium.
Is that realistic?
I suspect many people will just say the heck with it and stay at home to watch it on TV.
Especially if they are coming from the Kildonans, Transcona, or Westwood

People will figure out a way to get to the stadium. McMahon Stadium in Calgary has only 1500 parking spots. Only the "red zone" season ticket holders can get parking spots and even then there is a waiting list.
Is bus service to and from the stadium free for ticket holders in Calgary?

27 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:11 am

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one need only to google map Calgary and Edmonton to see that their stadiums are some major streets and as such bus service already is rockin. Its going to be difficult to get that number of cars and buses out of the U of M after a game.

With that said. AS LONG AS the city does a good job of traffic signal stuff.. then it should work. This is a perfect case where replacing all the lights with remote programmable ones comes up and should be used. But it wont be. TIMING is not what is needed. Traffic needs to be monitored and the lights switched for about 20 blocks away to make it flow. But no.. we are going to go with 1950s technology and just time the lights.

stupid and unimaginative.


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28 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:53 am

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Traffic flow? DeanK, please get those 2 words and an explanation to the City Engineers who think having cars sitting at red lights is a good thing for local business' to come outside and sell their wares to the citizens stuck in their cars!


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29 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:03 am

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The problem has been solved! I just heard on the news that on game day the City will be putting up NO PARKING signs in all the close by neighbourhoods!


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30 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:08 am

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Get the cadets out there directing traffic on Pembina, Chancellor, University Crescent, Kings Drive. In my opinion that's the best way to control the traffic flow. Allow vehicles to park on residential streets in Ft Richmond and University Heights. I don't understand why they can't park there yet they can over by the current stadium. It's not like the home owners own the street in front of their houses.
I am happy, I will walk or bike to the games as I am very close.

31 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:09 am

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". I don't understand why they can't park there yet they can over by the current stadium."

because it will lower their property values of course

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32 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:54 am

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USApegger wrote:Get the cadets out there directing traffic on Pembina, Chancellor, University Crescent, Kings Drive. In my opinion that's the best way to control the traffic flow.
Totally agree...


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33 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:07 am

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I dunno.. the times I have witnessed them directing traffic they were not that good at it.


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34 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am

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They need to get better. I believe cops (or cadets) managing traffic for an hour or so after the game will be the best possible solution to moving traffic out of the University grounds. Once on Pembina and Bison Drive the high volume roads will wick traffic away quite nicely IMO.


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35 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:28 am

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but the nice part about putting in remote programmable lights would be that it would showcase their value and we could start using them in other high volume areas across the city. ( how moronic is that sometimes 60 cars will sit at a set of lights while no one at all goes through the other way?)


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36 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:34 am

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Totally moronic.

The city traffic planners have displayed totally moronic traffic management management for eons now.

I don't know how many times I've railed about their most popular answer for new traffic management problems: stick in a set of traffic lights. Now, had they included those under road sensors and managed the lights properly I could even accept them.

They don't.


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37 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:36 am

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That said I don't believe even the most efficient automatic traffic management systems would be the answer here. Sound police traffic direction will do the job.

The trick is to get traffic moving quickly, for a sustained period of time. That clears the gridlock.


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38 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:39 am

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"Sound police traffic direction will do the job."

heh, even regular cops dont do the best of jobs because they are not traffic experts Smile


we need a Taz type guy for our traffic department here in Winnipeg.


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39 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:58 pm

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Considering the losers that make up the Bomber board, it really should not come as a surprise that something as important as being able to "get there from here" has become a major problem.....and there should be no denying that thius is a very serious issue.....that should have been resolved before construction started.

But this is Winnipeg....and the fix was in.....

40 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:08 pm

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This topic was discussed at length when the stadium was first proposed for the U of M. How in the world did it go ignored all this time?


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41 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:11 pm

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the city said.. dont worry we will do a study....

and this is simply the result of their study. a study that should have been done long before final site decided.

I dont know how many times we all had to scream.. JUST WAIT DONT FORCE THIS... to be overridden with.. its all good no worries...

All because our unelected premier kept seeing himself booted more and more with each passing day.

I wonder if he will even win his own seat?


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42 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:15 pm

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Makes one wonder then how all this parking bad news got leaked BEFORE the election.

Good luck and good timing I guess.


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43 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:26 pm

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Sooner or later, the stadium will look more like this:
http://www.sportlive.it/pictures/20100906/stadio_triestina.jpeg


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44 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:39 pm

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Outsider wrote:
sputnik wrote:
Outsider wrote:http://www.winnipegsun.com/2011/07/08/not-enough-parking-or-buses-to-get-fans-to-new-stadium-report

According to this article, about 1,500 people take the bus to the game now.
And they think 10,000 will be willing to take the bus to the game at the new stadium.
Is that realistic?
I suspect many people will just say the heck with it and stay at home to watch it on TV.
Especially if they are coming from the Kildonans, Transcona, or Westwood

People will figure out a way to get to the stadium. McMahon Stadium in Calgary has only 1500 parking spots. Only the "red zone" season ticket holders can get parking spots and even then there is a waiting list.
Is bus service to and from the stadium free for ticket holders in Calgary?

No.

$2.25 each way when I lived there. Parking at the LRT stations was free however.

45 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:56 pm

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I am not even sure that Every rider riding to and from the stadium at cost would pay for the service. But it would make a significant difference for sure.


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46 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:14 pm

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I know there is a thread around here about the cost of subsidized transit service. Anywho, if the cost of a bus ticket and the thought of riding a bus is enough to discourage people from attending a Bomber game (or whatever event is at the new stadium) then the Bombers are in trouble.

If the transit experience is compelling enough it should only discourage the most lame-minded peeps only. frick 'em.


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47 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:28 pm

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As long as the routes are decent routes riding transit should not be a problem. IF they can find the buses and drivers for it.

The buses and drivers are a big enough if... never mind the route thing.

The current bus schedule out of bomber games precludes me from riding the bus because it does not stop anywhere near my house and the transfer point and wait for a transfer is ridiculous at that time of night. Tweeking would be a good thing. A very good thing but damn near impossible.


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48 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:33 pm

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You should drive to the nearest park 'n ride...


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49 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:34 pm

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umm.. how would that work? If I had the vehicle to drive I would not take the bus. Problem is I dont have the vehicle to drive to games very often so I need to walk or take a bus or cab.


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50 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:38 pm

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I did not know that...


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51 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:44 pm

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yup.. only the one vehicle pickle. so IF I happen to get to a game I am busing it.

I dont mind waiting for the bus ANYWHERE in this city when I am by myself. Not so much when I am carrying, dealing with one of the kids tho and it just so happens that the corner of selkirk and McPhillips at 1030 (or later) at night for 30 to 45 minutes and its potentially cold out... is not one of the places I would like to wait.


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