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51 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:44 pm

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yup.. only the one vehicle pickle. so IF I happen to get to a game I am busing it.

I dont mind waiting for the bus ANYWHERE in this city when I am by myself. Not so much when I am carrying, dealing with one of the kids tho and it just so happens that the corner of selkirk and McPhillips at 1030 (or later) at night for 30 to 45 minutes and its potentially cold out... is not one of the places I would like to wait.

52 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:53 pm

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If anything. I hope this pushes the city to get an LRT completed to the U of M.

I would love to be able to take one bus and the train to the stadium.

That leaves me free to have a few drinks and not worry about safely getting home. I would even be able to stop off in the village or downtown for some post game drinks if I wanted to as well.

53 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:05 pm

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an LRT for 10 uses per year?

Not freakin worth it.


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54 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:37 pm

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Deank wrote:an LRT for 10 uses per year?

Not freakin worth it.

Except for perhaps the 24,000 people that go to the U of M on a daily basis. Not counting the other people going the opposite direction on their way downtown.

An LRT between the U of M and downtown is definitely worth it.

55 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:45 pm

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not really

the bus service is already less then 20 minutes. It cant get much faster or better.


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56 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:54 pm

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It may not improve the time, however I would prefer to take that over a car, and perhaps with decent park and ride areas and the LRT to downtown,and back many more would take it as well.
I am very close to Pembina, live on a condo just off it and have access to major bus routes down town within a very short walk, however I never, ever consider a bus when going downtown. Now if there were a LRT I would be more than happy to take that to the Jets games.
Back on topic, I will be walking to the games. Wonder in Tavern will run some shuttles for their Pembina location

57 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:49 pm

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Parking-plan-for-new-stadium-like-Gaza-strip-resident-125385653.html?viewAllComments=y

"The transportation plan was required before the committee could approve building permits for the $190-million superstructure."

Isn't it a little late in the game to be approving building permits? Question

58 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:09 pm

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Nothing loke spending $190 million to get students to school quicker! What a waste of money! No cost/benefit study!


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59 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:31 pm

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sputnik wrote:
Deank wrote:an LRT for 10 uses per year?

Not freakin worth it.

Except for perhaps the 24,000 people that go to the U of M on a daily basis. Not counting the other people going the opposite direction on their way downtown.

An LRT between the U of M and downtown is definitely worth it.
I would love to see this one day as well. However, despite all the progress the city is currently making, "rapid" transit isn't part of that. In fact, it's a long way off.
Oh, and I really do believe that you need to use the term "mass transit" instead of "rapid" since Winnipeggers will likely never be sold on this idea. "Mass transit" for the U of M is going to be a necessity in the short-term futur, now that you have the stadium there that will not only serve as a sports facility, but also an entertainment venue. In leaving Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton after the U2 concert, it was pure chaos. But man, I tell you just being able to get on the LRT and get out of there, not having to worry about driving, was truly great. Not to mention that they pulled no stops for service that night, trains with 6 or 7 cars coming every 4 or 5 minutes really helped put a dent in getting back home. You will hardly be able to have this kind of mass people mover with regular bus service.
Winnipeg really needs to step up it's game with mass transit as the city grows population and area-wise, it's going to need it as the congestion heats up on the roadways, and believe me it will.

60 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:11 pm

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Imagine, we now have rapid transit snobs... Heh heh.

Bus. Train. Who gives a rat's a$$. If both travel on dedicated pathways at the same speed what the frick is the difference? Baby steps...


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61 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:08 am

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This is what they should do.

Charge people for parking based on how many people are in each vehicle.

- 1 occupant = $20
- 2 occupants = $15
- 3 occupants = $10
- 4 occupants = $5
- 5+ occupants = free

62 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:13 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Imagine, we now have rapid transit snobs... Heh heh.

Bus. Train. Who gives a rat's a$$. If both travel on dedicated pathways at the same speed what the frick is the difference? Baby steps...

Agreed.

BRT definitely makes more sense in Winnipeg where we can't afford to bury rail lines underground downtown. The only other option would be the lower trolley style LRT cars that travel slower than BRT buses.

At the end of the day I just want to see SOMETHING that allows transit vehicles (bus or train) to travel without being held up by at grade intersections.

Right now the bus allows for a lower initial cost, easy expansion (just add more buses when needed) while still creating a corridor that could be used by a rail system in the future.

However this is all for another thread.

63 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:39 pm

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Deank, one flaw in your analysis... Each rider does not need to have a unique spot on the bus. I'm sure you realize that buses go back and forth. And people will not be arriving and departing the area all at the same time.

Winnipeg Transit has buses to maintain express-hours service that will not be in use during the post-game rush. So that should not be a problem. Getting to the stadium during rush-hour may be more difficult. But the express buses servicing the University will be full of students leaving in one direction, and full of game spectators in the other.

I am not worried about a perceived lack of parking. But maybe this perception will spur the creation of more parkades at the U of M. Another win-win for the University, I would say.


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64 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:46 pm

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FlyingRat wrote:Deank, one flaw in your analysis... Each rider does not need to have a unique spot on the bus. I'm sure you realize that buses go back and forth. And people will not be arriving and departing the area all at the same time.

Winnipeg Transit has buses to maintain express-hours service that will not be in use during the post-game rush. So that should not be a problem. Getting to the stadium during rush-hour may be more difficult. But the express buses servicing the University will be full of students leaving in one direction, and full of game spectators in the other.

I am not worried about a perceived lack of parking. But maybe this perception will spur the creation of more parkades at the U of M. Another win-win for the University, I would say.


Nope.. No more parkades at UofM please. kinda takes away from the need for LRT then eh?

". But the express buses servicing the University will be full of
students leaving in one direction, and full of game spectators in the
other."

EXCEPT... they already have plans for the buses. they dont just run empty back to the UofM.

They go out of service usually.. because drivers are going home.. I dont think you quite understand just how close to breaking our bus service is right now.

50 buses taken off the current service schedule and BOOM.. the whole freakin network breaks down with missed transfers and everything else.

Never mind the 200 extra drivers sitting around. We cant legally give them less then a 3 hour shift. (well we can, but doubts on the union allowing it) and right now all the shifts are used up with just a few spare drivers kicking around.

Its not as easy as some people think.. this "poof" make it so.. just aint so.


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65 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:12 pm

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I'd rather have more parkades and fewer surface lots. LRT/BRT/mass-transit will never completely eliminate the use of personal motor vehicles. But with parkades close to the places where people want to go, you can justify charging more - which in turn promotes the use of transit for those that have little reason to require a car.


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66 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:37 pm

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But we already have enough parking at UofM... according to their studies and such.

Sure turning one of the surface parking lots into a parkade is doable. BUT counter intuitive to trying to "force" the uni students to car pool and use the bus and such.

And is not financially feasible to build a parkade and block it off for all but the Stadium events.


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67 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:23 pm

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sputnik wrote:This is what they should do.

Charge people for parking based on how many people are in each vehicle.

- 1 occupant = $20
- 2 occupants = $15
- 3 occupants = $10
- 4 occupants = $5
- 5+ occupants = free
You forgot to add:

- Stay home = save money on parking AND game ticket(s) + bonus points of no traffic aggravation

68 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:32 pm

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69 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:53 pm

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Outsider wrote:
sputnik wrote:This is what they should do.

Charge people for parking based on how many people are in each vehicle.

- 1 occupant = $20
- 2 occupants = $15
- 3 occupants = $10
- 4 occupants = $5
- 5+ occupants = free
You forgot to add:

- Stay home = save money on parking AND game ticket(s) + bonus points of no traffic aggravation

You forgot to add:

- Live with parents until old age = never have to work a day in your life, worry about bills or socialize with the outside world.

Some of us like to have fun in larger public venues with other people. Not all of us are introverted loners scared by traffic or spending money.

70 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:23 pm

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/u-of-m-first-in-line-for-spots-125550428.html?viewAllComments=y

Can not see the comments on this story.
What is the gist of the comments if you can see them?

thanks

71 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:35 pm

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Intangible
4:33 AM on 7/14/2011
Is that Plan B monstrosity in the archive photo what they're building? Colour me skeptical.
dagastino
6:45 AM on 7/14/2011
... and so it begins ...

And so they should be. The University's needs come before the Bombers. I am sure the planners took the University's needs into account when they released the 7100 available parking spots number. I mean they couldn't have messed that up as well could they ???


J Haier
The fact that the university doesn't know how many parking spaces it has is most disturbing.
But, it is typical of this entire project....completely done backasswards.

nobody1
Lets see, First the Tax Payers said NO, but city flakes and corporate flavors ignored the mass and made huge promises, and as Expected those promises recede faster then a puddle in the city as of late!

Absolutely pi$$ poor planning from the start, fast tracked approvals to satisfy Corporate stake holders, and constant turnovers on engineers and other contractors will drag it past the proposed start date and umpteenth time past projected budgets. Rumor is budget is already blown again!? WFP wanna clarify that?

w 97, n 50
Gee, how about scheduling some of these activities around the 8-10 games each season.
As for the concern from students, many games occur in July, August and the others are on Friday evening, Saturdays, or Sundays.

BTW, isn't the student body in step with taking the bus idea - I thought they were all forward thinking green people. as long as it does not inconvenience them.

The U of M is getting to use a prime facility and yet they still complain.

Videoguy
Then there is the part they have not said.

Markham Road (was gravel) has been closed this Spring with a formal road being paved there.

Then the bars and restaurant construction begins on both side of Markham East of Pembina, the South side backing onto the new Stadium.

Do remember that the Southwood Golf Course formally transfers to the ownership of the University around the end of this month. Golf course.....hmmm....large land space...hmmm....stadium....

Why don't they bring this up so their spots can be counted? Or is this just part of the surprise for people who live at Southwood Greens and the New Condo behind it.

Wake up people, there is a bunch a foot you are missing. Remember the comment about 'hoping that a large number of attendees will stay 'IN THE BARS' before and after the game to slow the traffic issues'.

Now you know where those bars will be....

lightning
And the numbers keep changing. A week ago there were parking spaces for over 7000. Then it was a case of "learn to take the bus, carpool, bike, or walk." There were a supposed 20 000 students on campus. Why don't you be honest and tell the people that number is staggered over the day.
Here is another little ditty that runs through my mind with this parking cr@p. Until I see the media roll up in one bus, the VIPs (mayor and council) come on bikes, bus, or walk, I am thinking that the peeons (BB fans) who are paying in one form or another are the ones who are taking the short end of the stick on this one. "nobody1" and "w97, n50": you got that right.

Mr Reader
Don't fool yourself on this one. The U of M parking office is rubbing their hands at the thought of the stadium moving in. They stand to make a FORTUNE in parking fees. I would not be surprised to see some new multi level parkades go up before the project is done.

Mr.KP
We are definitely have to consider those people who do not watch the football game, but who also need the university parking spot.
Honestly parking is always crowded in U of M already, and now we add the demand to this?
You would be totally surprise that how many student need their parking spot and how many student stay so late.
Student will stay late for project, teamwork, test. exam or maybe even just for the GYM.
Hope U of M have good solution and don't keep on asking people to pay for the parking fee even after 4:30pm

GWinnipeg

I'm not so sure the parking problem is really that dire. MOST Bomber games take place on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, when there are no classes, evening or otherwise.

The game on the CFL schedule tonight (Thursday) is an extremely rare exception.

hiliter
How about building another parkade close to the new stadium? For drivers, easy access to Bison Drive and University Cresent.

Stuart Kaye
The University is edging towards becoming one of the least sustainable campuses in the country–revenue is the driving force.

YaWell
For the most part games won't interfere with student parking. The lots are always empty (or at least close to it) after about 4pm or so and most of the season doesn't line up with regular session classes anyways.
Parking and traffic will still likely be a problem for bomber fans but I see no reason for students to complain. (Speaking as a student who has taken regular, evening, and summer session classes) On another note, they should really build a parkade around that area.

Videoguy
Build a parkade between the new bars/restaurants and the stadium. Makes sense to me...

BOUXY
If they had planned to build this new Stadium at any of the other available sites that were available early on then this would all have been a MUTE point,but they didn't use common sense and now look at this Fiasco that is developing.When will this all end? How much more will have to be done? How much will this finally cost all of us and for what for a small percentage of the population that may or may not go? Harold Ballard once said WPG was a "One Horse Town without the Horse"! Was he right?

north end gal1
If you build it, they will park.... :/

wlb
Where were all the University students when this site was first proposed?
They were standing there saying nothing becasue they had more to gain by this new facility than they had to lose, so I say keep standing and say nothing in a couple of years you will be out of university anyways and any new students will start with the stadium there and know no different. Maybe a bunch of us should get together buy some land around there and , build a parking and shuttlle service we will make loads because we will then charge all those whinny university students to park as well. Any new facility has its problems look at the MTS people thought parking was going to be a nightmare but I have been to several events and its never been a issue. Go Bombers!!!!!

Concerned20
Whom ever OK'd this white elephant disaster to be built should be fired. UofM n staff get first dibs, NOT. So begins the arguments...Parking should be a free for all, first come first serve which in itself will be a nightmare, for e.g. you get there with your car, wife and four kids and cannot find a parking spot anywhere... The tempers are gonna flare…..

wlb
First dibs on parking, I don't think so, the rule should be if you are at school already and are parked then ok, but being able to drive up show a University pass and get in for nothing , I don't think that is fair. I have kids in the U of M, I guess I would be able to use there pass, there is virtually no way to govern this. I say everyone pays on game
day unless already there at 4:30

big_dog
Typical Wpg. The "why take public transport, I want to drive" mentality. Go to most other major centers, to a sporting event, and parking, if there is any, is at a premium.
Go to Wrigley by car and be surprised where you have to park. There is NO parking lot whatsoever. You park on the street or in people's private spots that they charge you 25 bucks for.
Fenway, same thing, expect lot parking there runs you 40+ bucks. Was at a University of Washington football game. After the game, about 50 city buses lined up to get people out of there.
Fact is, in a lost of these places, property is way to valuable to make big parking lots that are used a few times a year. So people leave their cars at home and take the bus or a cab or whatever.

hiliter
parking shouldn't be an issue after all the city would have built the "what ever will be" public transit.

kw1
Why not investigate a park and ride system. Make arrangements for people attending the Bomber game (and other events) to park at either the mall at Dalhousie & pembina by the Safeway, or the Superstore lot and have shuttles or buses take people to the game and back to their car afterwards. The Bombers can make arrangements with the parking lot owners to use it and charge a nominal fee for transport people to the stadium. This would free up the University parking AND give people a quick exit from the area.

Could work if someone has the vision to make it work.


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72 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:06 pm

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sputnik wrote:
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sputnik wrote:This is what they should do.

Charge people for parking based on how many people are in each vehicle.

- 1 occupant = $20
- 2 occupants = $15
- 3 occupants = $10
- 4 occupants = $5
- 5+ occupants = free
You forgot to add:

- Stay home = save money on parking AND game ticket(s) + bonus points of no traffic aggravation

You forgot to add:

- Live with parents until old age = never have to work a day in your life, worry about bills or socialize with the outside world.

Some of us like to have fun in larger public venues with other people. Not all of us are introverted loners scared by traffic or spending money.

Can we assume you go to a few Bomber games each year? Smile

73 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:44 pm

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There are plenty of stadii that simply don't have parking, and every one manages to get to the games .
Mayor Katz uses our Police Helicopter, I believe?


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74 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:56 pm

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I don't know of many stadiums that are built in residential areas though. For the most part, that is where ours is being built.

75 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:41 pm

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Has anyone seen any figures on how many parking spots are at our current stadium?


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76 Re: More Potential New Stadium Problems on Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:51 pm

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JTF wrote:I don't know of many stadiums that are built in residential areas though. For the most part, that is where ours is being built.
Edmonton, Regina and Hamilton.
Ivor Wynne Stadium is surrounded on 3 sides by residential areas.
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