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101 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:46 pm

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JTF wrote:Exactly.....with the appropriate decrease in taxes collected though.



For sure, I don't want it ingrained as a Right.

Agreed.

102 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:47 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:I wonder if there is a private urban transit company anywhere in the world? Is private urban transit even possible? Practical?

We could be the first. What a great way to send a message to the world that Manitoba is open for business...no socialized public transport!


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103 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:51 pm

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without MASSIVE taxes to drive people away from driving everywhere in the city, we will never have private public transport there is no cost effective ability in this.


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104 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:46 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:I wonder if there is a private urban transit company anywhere in the world? Is private urban transit even possible? Practical?

Unicity, Duffys ... any taxi company is doing it.

105 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:49 pm

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Deank wrote:without MASSIVE taxes to drive people away from driving everywhere in the city, we will never have private public transport there is no cost effective ability in this.

Shifting the jobs from unionized gov't workers to the private sector would save millions...Ditto garbage pickup.


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106 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:01 pm

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eViL tRoLl wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:I wonder if there is a private urban transit company anywhere in the world? Is private urban transit even possible? Practical?

Unicity, Duffys ... any taxi company is doing it.

not even close.


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107 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:04 pm

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Triniman wrote:
Deank wrote:without MASSIVE taxes to drive people away from driving everywhere in the city, we will never have private public transport there is no cost effective ability in this.

Shifting the jobs from unionized gov't workers to the private sector would save millions...Ditto garbage pickup.
umm.. we already did that with garbage pick up

and no... for garbage pick up no model really exists that would allow for competition on a house by house basis that would allow it to be cheaper for the end user somehow.

as to unionizing transit.. thats a red herring. Its not because of the unionized that makes it impossible to run as a private enterprise, its because of the nature of public transit and the ability to have reliable schedules that transfer you to multilple places across the city.


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108 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:15 pm

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There are two private bus companies in Cancun...so government subsidy and still around .60 cents....and the buses go 24/7.

109 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:23 pm

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yup. Cancun is a utopia for sure

http://www.travelyucatan.com/cancun_bus.php


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110 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:59 pm

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JTF wrote:There are two private bus companies in Cancun...so government subsidy and still around .60 cents....and the buses go 24/7.
Mexico? You're comparing rates to Mexico?

Let me restate my question: Are there any first world real life examples of private mass urban transit that does not include fricken taxis?


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111 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:09 pm

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grumpy old man wrote: Are there any first world real life examples of private mass urban transit that does not include fricken taxis?

how bout the commie bastard countries?

112 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:14 pm

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eViL tRoLl wrote:
grumpy old man wrote: Are there any first world real life examples of private mass urban transit that does not include fricken taxis?

how bout the commie bastard countries?
Name one private company sport.


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113 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:22 pm

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If people would start thinking options instead of being stuck in the same old rut...then yes, a private transit system WOULD work, AND it would encourage people to actually USE the system instead of avoid it in droves like they do the public one today.

I'm not saying there wouldn't have to be some kind of government involvement, either to produce regulations for stability, and to ensure there is no price gouging going into a free market...but it CAN be done.

There would also have to be MAJOR concessions given to current infrastructure to accommodate new options in transportation.
Advertising markets would be expanded to allow various marketing components on the new transport system, be it bus, minibus, rail, etc.
Safety would be a primary concern, including security for drivers and passengers.
Price packaging should be affordable, but at a price which covers day-to-day operations.

With the technology of today...there can even be systems in place for modified routing, so say now we run routes out to the far end of West Kildonan, because that's what the route says...the "fringe" points can be changed to have a "call button" installed at the stop, so the transit would only have to go to those stops if someone actually pushes the button.

If a REAL rail system (ie. monorail, above ground so it doesn't affect other infrastructure) can be implemented...other options can be applied within those developments. Rail stations would have to be constructed throughout the city...and each can have new retail, food, vending options...which the rentals can help pay for the infrastructure of that rail system.

I look at many buses running around the city, and they have only 3 or 4 people on them...so why are we running full-sized $400k buses in that area? why aren't we downsizing the equipment and buying 2 or 3 $200-250k minibuses, which use less fuel, are easier to maneuver, and covering the same routes for less money? It's something privatization would look at...but public services have no reason to.

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114 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:43 pm

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Yet outside of Cancun not one city is named where private transit exists.

I wonder why that is...


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115 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:45 pm

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AA what you describe is incompetence by the transit bureaucracy and poor governance municipally and provincially.


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116 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:49 pm

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aa. call button would not work. too many a$$holes would push it and run. we did have on call service in remote areas for a while

we do have smaller buses on smaller routes. just run out of buses sometimes. most times it seems

i definstelly am in favour of modified flexible routing based on some sort of call system.

we certainly could improve massively in the advertising venue. like having key transit shelter be part of say. a timmies or some such

but at he end of the day. i simply can not see a private company being able to do it at current cost. never mind essentially free. but if you can show me a model that would work withoutmajor impacts to service i would easily get behind that. especially if it freed up precious tax dollars for other worthy causes


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117 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:47 am

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grumpy old man wrote:
JTF wrote:There are two private bus companies in Cancun...so government subsidy and still around .60 cents....and the buses go 24/7.
Mexico? You're comparing rates to Mexico?

Let me restate my question: Are there any first world real life examples of private mass urban transit that does not include fricken taxis?



Why is a comparison with Cancun (hardly a third world city btw) not valid?



Why would the same business model not work here?

118 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:25 am

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Let's start with wages. Move on to safety standards. Add in climate discrepancies playing havoc with roads and equipment. Add in the fact I can only find reference to transit in that city here: http://www.travelyucatan.com/cancun_bus.php. It talks about public transit...

Yup. Apples to apples.

Can you name any other city where the private sector provides the transit service?


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119 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:45 am

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Wow. Talk about a very narrow outlook.



Obviously you've never been to Cancun.



Their buses are a hellava lot nicer than ours...air conditioned...padded seats....music....



Climatic factors are very similar, but theirs with the heat and not cold.



Wages are irrelevant as they would be a constant factor anyway.



But, my point is that it is being done and done very successfully.

120 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:46 am

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Got a link JTF?


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121 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:48 am

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To what?

122 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:54 am

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To anything at all about the two privately run public transport buses in cancun


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123 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:56 am

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I can google it if you want, but my knowledge on this is from personal experience.

124 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:58 am

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http://www.cancun-discounts.com/cancun-bus-schedules.htm



AUTOTUR and TURICAN are the two main bus companies that service the Hotel Zone and Cancun City.



http://www.cancunexpo.com/Pages/buses.htm



http://www.autotur.com.mx/english/index.htm

125 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:17 am

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soo... there are two circular routes?


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126 Re: manitobaelection.ca on Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:26 am

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Those are private tour buses. We have them here as well. These are NOT public mass transit systems.

Nice try.


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