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so about that Northern Ontario reserve that has declared itself in emergency

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I find this whole situation frustrating, on one hand I see a group of people that need housing, they need something because no one should have to live like that. However on the other hand, I see a complete lack of common sense and apathy that I believe giving these people housing will only prolong the problem.

The Canadian Government has set these people up to fail. Not on purpose but by giving in to their sense of entitlement. Granted they are entitled to what is in the treaties, but when something is given like that there is no sense of accomplishment. It is just another hand out. The native leadership wonders why there is racism, and intolerance. So many of these people live up to the stereotypes that it is hard to not be somewhat jaded.

Why is no one asking the hard questions?

Ask the families with 4+ kids why you would bring more children into this environment, knowing that you can't pay for them?

Ask the chiefs of these reserves, why they feel that they should be raking in huge pay cheques and still have people shitting in buckets?

Ask the people why they would sooner live in a shanty, than use their own two hands, and use the surrounding materials to improve their lives?

These communities are remote, and with that remoteness comes challenges, I think most Canadians understand that, and there is an expectation that the government can ASSIST as needed. But there needs to be accountability, there needs to be a willingness on the part of the community to do what is needed to ensure the viability of their community. People live further north than these communities with even less resources.

As long as these communities would rather beg, than work for themselves, we will continue to have these reserves.

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Hopefully, Harper will have the gonads to finally call "Bullshit" to this bullshit. It's been going on far too long.



Time to put an end to the indian chiefs stealing from their own and blaming whitey. Time to fish or cut bait.



Why are these people being screwed by their own people (which is what is happening imo)?

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The left in this matter are freaking unbelievable. Harper is completely responsible and the chief, his peeps, and the area's elected representative are not in any way responsible.

Guys what colour the ELECTED area rep is?


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Ya. Funny how the Nippers are trying to build on this.



I sure hope Harper holds the chiefs feet to the fire on this....$93,000,000 is a lot for so few people imo.

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hey! its winter.. the winter roads will be open soon

grab 20 of these and move them up

http://www.atcosl.com/en-ca/Products-and-Services/Products-and-Services/crew-quarters.htm

each one sleeps 10 to 12 and has two bathrooms and one Kitchen

warm in winter, cool in summer, up off the ground so little to no worry about mold invading them. AND from reports they already used them there, so WHATS TAKING SO LONG TO DO THIS????


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What? No snakes?

Better move 'em all to Winnipeg hotels...


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The NDP want Harper to send in the military....and to do exactly what? I continue to be amazed how stupid you have to be to be a nipper.

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The political machine is always up and running. When the Conservatives say we spent $93,000,000 over 6 years, where did the money go, I divide 6 into that number and then divide 2000 units into that number and get $8000 per year per person.

Then I ask what is the $8000 supposed to cover?

If the answer is food, shelter and educarion, then the question is answered.

"We need more resources to bring us up to the poverty level!"

If I am not sure, then I would check out the last 6 years of audited financial statements that are posted on line!


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DeanK- What colours do those mobile homes come in? lol

How do you fly them in? Propane heat and cold?

Those should work whether they are sleepers for lots, or home style for families, but Harper wasn't planning on spending the money, because of the $4 Billion on non working submarines and the $35 to $100 Billion planned on bigger faster jets to protect us from an Indian invasion!


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Maybe it is time to end the reserve system. Everyone should pull his/her own weight and contribute to society. I am so sick and tired of those who have a sense of entitlement.


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"How do you fly them in?"

You drive them in over the winter roads.

" Propane heat and cold?"

Whatever is currently used to heat homes.


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The reserve system works fine, except the government sends in 1/2 the resources that are needed, and has been doing this for 36 years.

Jeffrey Simpson wrote on Wed Dec 7/11 a complete explanation of the incompetance of the government in how it was managing many of the Northern aboriginal resorts.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/jeffrey-simpson/for-kashechewan-read-attawapiskat/article2262286/

Almost 36 years ago, a young reporter from the Globe, was sent to find out why a government sponsored , native-run program had gone so wrong.


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if 90% of them had jobs the money would be more then enough because far less peope would be on welfare


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There are no jobs there! There is only fishing, hunting, cutting wood and no schooling, no housing , no life as we know it!


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then they should hunt and fish for food. or move


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There are tons of jobs there, building homes out of local materials, driving the brand new Zamboni, cleaning up the water treatment facility... The list goes on! The problem with this reserve is that the band treats the money that comes in from the government like it's theirs to do whatever they want with it. The money they have gotten over the years could have built and repaired every single home in the community, ensured they have proper running water, and left some for food and other sundry items.

If these people were in such dire straights why wait until Winter comes? What the heck did they do all summer?

I can be sympathetic to their need for housing, I however can't be sympathetic to their leadership who let things get this way. I know if I lived up there I would be demanding the band leadership to step down. What a bunch of useless tools.

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That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Years of abhorrent leadership and management have brought most reserves to where they are today.

Sorta' like what the City of Winnipeg/Province of Manitoba have doe by allowing the infrastructure deficit to build almost to the point of crises. The BIG difference? Winnipeggers/Manitoban's have contributed to the tax base.


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grumpy old man wrote:
Sorta' like what the City of Winnipeg/Province of Manitoba have doe by allowing the infrastructure deficit to build almost to the point of crises. The BIG difference? Winnipeggers/Manitoban's have contributed to the tax base.

Still no excuse for building the new shiny whatever s just to keep up with our neighbors instead of maintaining the facilities we need and use everyday. Sad

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I sometimes have to wonder where the city's priorities lay, there are roads in this city which are in dire need of either replacing or resurfacing, yet a street in my neighbourhood which was relatively new was re-surfaced not that long ago. Meanwhile streets like Marion, are horrible to drive on.

Not to deviate from the original idea here, Part of the problem on the reserve is that there is no sense of ownership or pride in what they have. Housing is a community resource that is handed out by the band leadership. Who wants to bet that the Chief's daughter, and family live in proper housing, same with all the family and friends of the rest of the council. Look deep enough in what little records there are and I bet that there is an alarming trend where those that are known well to the leadership are taken care of first. The native reserves could learn a thing or two from the Hudderite, and Mennonite Communities here in Manitoba. Combine resources, and prosper, but it would mean that the chief has less power.

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"Part of the problem on the reserve is that there is no sense of ownership or pride in what they have."

THAT.. 100% THAT.. and no matter how well Mr Mike Holmes thinks he can build houses... IF proper maintenance of the houses is not done and IF people continue to make whatever cheap modifications they want to the houses, those houses will deteriorate.

Whats that? Vent my dryer directly into my house to recapture the heat? sure.. nothing wrong with that.


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Stonekiller wrote:The native reserves could learn a thing or two from the Hudderite, and Mennonite Communities here in Manitoba. Combine resources, and prosper, but it would mean that the chief has less power.



And in addtion to taking care of their own needs, the Hutterites run successful businesses by selling their products. They are astute businessmen in their own right. And theya re very generous to those who need help.

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I was listening to another report of another reserve, where there were approximately 1100 members, and lo and behold there are 80% unemployed.

There are no jobs on these reserves, and I think that what we have are thousands of illiterate Canadians who receive a cheque every month for doing nothing.

The money they receive is 1/2 what one would need to live at the poverty level, and so nothing ever gets improved.

Their land cannot grow anything like the hudderites do on their land. The only thing they can grow is , old and very poor and in very bad health!

There you have the solution!


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"where there were approximately 1100 members, and lo and behold there are 80% unemployed"
MOVE

"The money they receive is 1/2 what one would need to live at the poverty level"
MOVE (or gather, hunt and fish for food and use your "food" alottment on other things)


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How do the reserves let the government know they want to be moved? I

Hasn't the government promised to look after all of ttheir needs for all of the time, and that dependancy is the problem?

How did those promises take place?

What was the thinking?

How can the situation be changed?

Did this arrangement ever work, or has it been this bad from day 1 and all that has happened is that the complaints are being reported by the communist free press?


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So, First Nations should have their "land" where they can carry on their "traditional" lifestyle of hunting trapping and fishing, but at the same time, have all the amenities of a metropolitan centre, but someone else should pay for it all. And that makes sense to who?

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I find it interesting that the Bands that are successful in their own right, do not share what they are doing with the other band councils. Though as Canadians we never hear about the success stories, or even know that there are Native groups that are thriving because they had the business sense to do something with their treaty money.

Perfect example is the native group that is bringing in several restaurant franchises to Canada, like Wokbox, Famous Daves, and a few others.

The several bands that worked together to bring South Beach Casino to life are doing well, however there is some issues with spending, it is generally considered to be a cash cow.

All it takes is some effort, and a sound business plan and anything can happen. But they have to want a better life, not just the status quo.

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