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1 Debbie-spend-it-now on Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:14 pm

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For those who haven't seen the Debbie Spenditnow ad.......

http://debbiespenditnow.com/

I suppose if you're getting into a mudslinging contest you may as well sling it properly. I have to say I agree with the idea that the US is spending itself into slavery more and more every year. In Canada we need to balance our deficit and pay down our debt. This commercial applies to us as much as the Americans.

Thoughts?

2 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:49 pm

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My thoughts are I dont see any way out for USA other then invading and taking over Canada as a protectorate.


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3 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:00 pm

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It seems pretty clear that the US is failing at protecting the world. We're going to allow them to 'protect' us?

Just saying.

4 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:22 pm

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you really think we are going to have a choice? Who will stop them? The Russians? The Chinese? Europe?

Its gonna play out real simple.

The USA trumps up charges against Russia or China that they are about to invade Canada for resources and since we can obviously not defend our selves against such an attack they will step in and protect us....


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5 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:42 pm

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Deank wrote:you really think we are going to have a choice? Who will stop them? The Russians? The Chinese? Europe?

Its gonna play out real simple.

The USA trumps up charges against Russia or China that they are about to invade Canada for resources and since we can obviously not defend our selves against such an attack they will step in and protect us....

So they're going to invade us why???..................to earn Canadian dollars?

6 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:46 am

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enough resources and underdeveloped land to feed and water them and drive their economic engine and war machine for 100 years


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7 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:22 am

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Dean;
That is exactly how I see it too.


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8 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:30 am

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Some things to consider, China is balancing their economy on the backs of its workers. At some point the average Chinese factory worker is going to realize that their time and effort it worth a lot more than what they are getting paid. I bet that within the next 25 years that we will see an uprising of the worker class in that country.

Honestly I am more concerned about an American civil uprising in the next decade. You have a large group of the population that is unemployed, I would venture about 15% of the actual population is unemployed vs the official figure of 9%. We have another segment of the population that is significantly underemployed or overworked for what they do get. You have a population that wants the rich to pay more, couple that with a huge national ego, and self entitlement and you have all the ingredients for some major civil disorder. The government so much as sneezes the wrong way and there is going to be more than civilized occupy camps going up in major cities.

9 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:37 am

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As long as they get good paying jobs ( processing Canadian raw materials ) the American public will be placated.


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10 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:56 am

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There is one flaw though in your argument, what is stopping American companies from purchasing land, and harvesting resources now? Generally speaking the Canadian Government doesn't seem to have a problem with people coming and accessing the vast resources of this country. Nor would it be overly difficult for US citizens to come and work here, assuming that Canadian people also have a kick at working as well.

AS for the US invading Canada, I don't imagine that other countries would stand by and allow the Americans to simply invade. The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". A free Canada is more beneficial to China and the Russians than one that is owned by the US.

11 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:04 am

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"There is one flaw though in your argument, what is stopping American
companies from purchasing land, and harvesting resources now?"

Current Canadian Law.

"AS for the US invading Canada, I don't imagine that other countries would stand by and allow the Americans to simply invade."
The only two countries that would be able to fight them, would be the "enemies" that they are stepping in to protect us from.


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12 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:11 am

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Yikes. The WWIII thread...

Changing laws would seem fairly easy but it is a slippery slope. Protectionism could back-fire.

As to Americans getting jobs here if it were that easy there would have been a huge influx by now. Canada has been screaming for people to fill many important jobs that have gone unheeded. Ditto the chronically unemployed in the US. They'd have flocked here by now to help fill many of the more un-fill-able jobs. A job is a job after all...

With baby boomers retiring by the truck load the demand will grow exponentially. Seems like a logical source of workers. They look like us; they speak our language; their education is similar to ours.


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13 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:13 am

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What Canadian Law prevents American Companies from starting here in Canada? Most of the large energy and resource companies in this country aren't Canadian owned.

Canada like it or not is a resource based economy. We have the resources to feed and water the american population without them needing to be aggressive.

Though it really is unfortunate that consecutive Liberal governments ensured that Canada is unable to even moderately defend its sovereignty today and tomorrow.

14 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:17 am

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There is no excuse for Canada to have unemployed people. The problem is that those that are unemployed would rather be unemployed than having to work in the service industry, or even work two jobs.

If the people have skills that are needed, then the government has no problem letting people in to work. Immigrating from the US is probably the easiest immigration process of them all. The standards for education are almost identical. Especially in professional trades.

15 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:17 am

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"What Canadian Law prevents American Companies from starting here in
Canada? Most of the large energy and resource companies in this country
aren't Canadian owned."

The law that says who can harvest what and where and when and where that can be shipped to AND what cost (TAX) there is to the company that is doing that AND what environmental rules have to be followed.


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16 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:20 am

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"The standards for education are almost identical. " Ummm, didn't I just say that? And yet where are these hordes of Americans emigrating to the north?


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17 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:24 am

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Yes I missed that.

As for the hordes of unemployed. I can't answer that question, if employers here are screaming for people as you suggest then why aren't they recruiting from this pool of labor?

And why aren't unemployed Canadians filling these jobs?

18 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:24 am

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Stonekiller wrote:There is no excuse for Canada to have unemployed people. The problem is that those that are unemployed would rather be unemployed than having to work in the service industry, or even work two jobs.

If the people have skills that are needed, then the government has no problem letting people in to work. Immigrating from the US is probably the easiest immigration process of them all. The standards for education are almost identical. Especially in professional trades.

Can Americans just come work here without proper Visas?


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19 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:34 am

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Honestly I don't think its that hard for Americans to get one. If the sponsoring company is prepared then it is a piece of cake. The network admin at my old employer was sponsored. And he had gotten his landed immigrant status. In fact due to a labor shortage the same company was hiring internationally to fill the demand in their Neepawa facility.

20 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:24 pm

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I think there is a hard core pool of Canadians that simply won't take "menial" jobs. I would imagine they form a large part of Manitoba's unemployed.

As to the higher paying jobs, as more and more baby boomers retire it will become increasingly harder to replace them. That is one reason many retirement age people are willingly delaying retirement.

Unemployed Americans could easily be recruited to take those jobs. Not sure what efforts are underway or if there is a reluctance of Americans to move to a foreign country.


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21 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:48 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
I think there is a hard core pool of Canadians that simply won't take "menial" jobs. I would imagine they form a large part of Manitoba's unemployed.


I think it all gets down to education and training and the lack thereof....in both countries.

If you (in the general sense) can solve the education/welfare/economy issue, you will be king.

22 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:50 pm

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Like our case about that woman earlier this year. She fully admits she would need a $20 per hour job to equal what she is getting now in government handouts.

While she is working on education in order to improve her life, its really not that hard to understand why some people might not want to, given so much "help".


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23 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:58 pm

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Maybe you're right Dean, I mean who would want to be self supporting when the government is always there to give you a hand out.

I can't criticize too much, while attending college full time, I was supported for 10 months on EI, and the remainder of the course I received Student Assistance. While on EI I was actually getting decent cash, student assistance I got $575 bi-weekly... Barely enough to pay my bills, and mortgage at the time. Thankfully my Wife worked full time at Zellers doing stock over nights so that I could finish college and get a decent paying job. I didn't start at $20 dollars an hour mind you. I haven't looked back since.

24 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:00 pm

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The other factor to consider is what to learn. Not all educations are equal when it comes to earning potential.

25 Re: Debbie-spend-it-now on Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:03 pm

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AND its not just the government.

Lets say I am on Social Assistance..
Instead of spending money on food, I simply visit soup kitchens or get food hampers.

So,, my "WORK" ends up entailing that I spend 2-3 hours per day traveling to the soup kitchens and I can spend my money on whatever I want since my housing and utilities are paid for.

think about that for a minute... you need to only spend 2 or so hours per day working.. HELL I spend that much on the bus travelling to work... and for those 2 hours per day of work, you have more money to spend on whatever you want in a month then I do and I work 8 hours a day and my wife works too.
Your kids get free access to sport programs and free equipment, free Christmas presents, free jackets...




who is the idiot?


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